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In this episode of the Structure Talk podcast, Reuben Saltzman and Eric Houseman welcome Nick Roberts and Sam Despres, the team behind HomeTrace, to discuss how AI is changing home inspection software. They explore tools designed to reduce administrative work, including AI-assisted report writing, voice dictation, photo organization, appliance data extraction, and automated defect documentation. The conversation also highlights HomeTrace’s AI-powered 3D room scanning, software migration capabilities, integrated business tools, and plans to make the home inspection process more efficient for solo inspectors and larger firms.
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Takeaways
HomeTrace’s AI agent can match voice dictation with timestamped photos, organize findings, populate report sections, and attach images to the appropriate locations.
Inspectors can use AI to extract appliance information from data plates, create draft inspections from text messages, and streamline documentation.
AI-powered 3D room scanning can help inspectors identify where defects are located, while giving clients, agents, and contractors a clearer view of the property.
HomeTrace combines report writing, scheduling, payments, websites, review tools, and file sharing to reduce the need to switch between multiple systems.
AI integrations with tools such as Claude can help transfer existing inspection templates into HomeTrace, although some adjustments may still be needed.
The developers emphasize automating time-consuming tasks so inspectors can focus more on inspections and client service.
At the time of the discussion, HomeTrace did not yet replace every back-office function or integration used by larger inspection firms, including some established systems such as ISN.
The guests discussed a base price of $50 per month for solo inspectors, team pricing starting at $60 per month with additional inspectors at $50 each, and a standard 30-day free trial.
The HomeTrace team encourages inspectors to share problems and feature requests so the software can continue improving.
A central philosophy shared by Nick is that a business is a collection of problems it solves for its customers.
Chapters
00:00 – Introduction and Inspector Empire Builder Podcast Mention
03:08 – Meet Nick Roberts and Sam Despres: The Story Behind HomeTrace
08:46 – Sam’s Journey from Engineering and Homebuilding to Home Inspection
14:55 – Why Sam Wanted Better Home Inspection Software
20:14 – HomeTrace’s Mission: Eliminating Friction and Repetitive Work
21:53 – AI Tools for Booking Inspections and Managing Client Information
23:53 – Introducing HomeTrace’s AI Agent
26:31 – Using AI to Analyze Photos and Complete Inspection Reports
29:19 – Voice Dictation, Photo Matching, and AI Integrations
31:09 – Migrating Inspection Templates with AI
34:07 – HomeTrace Pricing, Website Hosting, and Built-In Features
37:19 – AI-Powered 3D Room Scanning with LiDAR
40:01 – How 3D Reports Could Transform Home Inspections
42:12 – Pinpointing Defects and Sharing Interactive Reports
44:30 – HomeTrace for Solo Inspectors and Larger Inspection Companies
45:27 – ISN Integration, Back-Office Needs, and Future Plans
48:24 – Free Trials, Discounts, and Opportunities for Inspection Schools
50:30 – Customer Feedback and the Future of HomeTrace
52:16 – The Business Philosophy Behind HomeTrace
52:42 – Where to Find HomeTrace and Episode Wrap-Up
TRANSCRIPTION
The following is an AI-generated transcription from an audio recording. Although the transcription is mostly accurate, it will contain some errors due to inaudible passages or transcription errors.
Reuben Saltzman: Welcome to my house. Welcome to the Structure Talk podcast, a production of Structure Tech Home Inspections. My name is Reuben Saltzman. I’m your host alongside building science geek, Tessa Murry. We help home inspectors up their game through education, and we help homeowners to be better stewards of their houses. We’ve been keeping it real on this podcast since 2019, and we are also the number one home inspection podcast in the world, according to my mom.
Reuben Saltzman (00:01.352)
Welcome back to the show. Eric, good to see you my friend. How is every little thing?
Eric Houseman (00:07.315)
It’s good, Ruben. it’s like seventy some degrees outside and it’s almost Halloween. So that kind of weather in Minnesota, yeah, it it’s really like delaying the inevitable of winter and snow and you know, you kind of just want to rip the band-aid off and get it over with. But you know, I’m not going to besmirch a extended fall.
Reuben Saltzman (00:34.998)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I I have no complaints about it. I mean, some people like it when it’s a little cooler, like I want sweatshirt weather, I like the brisk mornings like, yeah, it’s it’s okay, but I’ll take summer. I’d take summer all year. That’s fine with me. Yeah, feels nice. All right, well, before we get on too far with this, before we introduce our guests, I want to give a shout out to our show sponsors, IEB.
Sam Despres (00:51.288)
Yeah.
Nick (00:51.344)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (01:03.434)
Inspector Empire Builder. It’s coaching for home inspectors. It’s teaching home inspectors how to build a better business. They’ve got a conference coming up here in February, but you know what? That’s that’s a long ways away. Right now, I just want to talk about the podcast. IEB has had a podcast for a while now. You can find it anywhere fine podcasts are found. They’ve you can find them on Apple and YouTube.
And a whole bunch of others. If you just go to your Google machine and you type in IEB podcast, you will find it. The latest episode, based on when we’re recording here, it’s it’s called the Hidden Hidden Revenue Opportunity after every home inspection. They had Celeste on there from well from from she’s she’s with Igo. I I don’t know if it said it on the podcast or not, but it’s like this is an abundance mentality.
That IEB has. It’s like, okay, we got a competitor that’s doing almost the same thing in our space. Who cares? We’re gonna have them on the podcast. Eric just gave me an idea for a podcast guest for our show. You know what I’m thinking. But at any rate, I want to talk about our guests. We’ve got some new sponsors of the show, and I thought, what better way to introduce a new sponsors than to just dedicate a full episode to getting you guys on.
And talking about what you do and why you’re here. So this this is this is gonna be fun because you guys have got some awesome stuff you’re working on. I’ve got Nick Roberts and Sam. Sam, I didn’t even ask how to pronounce your last name. I should have done that before we started. I’m the worst host in the world. I’m gonna butcher it. Sam pronounce your last name for me. Deprey. Of course it’s Deprey. All right. All right.
Sam Despres (02:47.148)
You’re good. You’re good.
Despre. It’s it’s French. Yeah. No one does.
Eric Houseman (02:54.783)
Yeah, would not have gotten that right. Nope.
Nick (02:55.643)
Yeah.
Yeah, the the the high school intercom was always really interesting. We we went to high school together and it was like always like something like dupree or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
Sam Despres (03:07.638)
Yeah. Yeah, desk press I guess yeah so yep.
Reuben Saltzman (03:08.598)
I I was I desk press would have been way down on the list of ways I would have mispronounced your name. But well welcome to the show, guys. So we we I’ll all right, I’ll I’ll kick it off by saying it’s home inspection software. That’s what these guys do. But we’ve got a lot of stuff to talk about before we talk about software. So you you guys are partnered up.
Sam Despres (03:16.686)
Ha ha ha.
Sam Despres (03:23.064)
Thank you.
Reuben Saltzman (03:38.247)
Nick, let’s start with you. You are the guy doing the software. You’re the you’re the code expert. if you would, just talk us through what got you to this point. I mean, where’d you grow up? Where do you live now? And where where’d you where’d you go to school? And what what did you want to do when you grew up? I mean, because it was surely not writing home inspection software. And what what got you to this point?
Nick (03:53.231)
Yeah.
Nick (04:03.819)
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean yeah, the home inspection software is certainly like a kind of a curveball, I guess, in my career. but yeah, I I kind of grew up all over the place. I my dad was an Air Force fighter pilot. And so we were we were stationed kind of all over the world. I was born in Anchorage, Alaska. We did some time in Langley, we did a cross branch NATO operation. It
in in in in Italy during the kind of the Bosnia conflicts in the late 90s. And then we we moved to the UK where my dad was stationed at Lakinheath and and then ultimately we moved back to Utah and that’s kind of where I I finished like high school. I went to I did the state school thing. I went to University of Utah with Sam. Sam and I you know knew each other from high school. That’s kind of our connection.
yeah. And then after that, I, you know, I’ve kind of did the the Silicon Valley thing. you know, I went to I was in San Francisco for for a number of years, worked at eBay, and then bounced around a ton of like like random startups. you know, and and one of those happened to be in like the title industry where we were trying to automate like the title production process using machine learning. And so that kind of exposed me to like a lot of the sort of like real estate stuff.
My dad actually went into commercial real estate after the Air Force. And so, you know, I I I definitely have have had quite a bit of exposure to it. and then yeah, and then and then basically, you know, in the last year or so, you know, Sam happened to mention, you know, he was using a a different software. It’s called Spectora. I mean, I I think I think that’s that’s a pretty well known name. and I was like, basically, I was just kind of like, dude.
Nick (05:56.358)
Like we we like we could do better than that. but then we, you know, we ultimately started with you kind of a smaller piece of it. We are sort of thinking like maybe we would offer some kind of like maintenance planning reminder software. Cause Sam is like, you know, he was talking to me about how, you know, he’ll go into a house and, you know, rattle off you know, all of these different appliances and and fixtures and whatnot to the client. And the client, like,
won’t remember a lot of that usually. and so we were thinking like, you know, maybe we we start with something where like, you know, hey, your furnace is due for like a filter replacement or I don’t know, something like that. but you know, as as we’re working through that idea, we were thinking of like maybe integrating with other software platforms. And, you know, rather than do that, you know, I I think we we realized that the the the scope of building our own inspection platform
wasn’t all that much, you know, more. I mean, at the end of the day, you’re just kind of like typing notes, putting those in a in a report, blasting those off to a client. they get, you know, a PDF in most cases and like a web portal. a lot of softwares don’t even have like a way to pay. I know soft Spectora, you and others do. but that we ended up on the home inspection platform side of the ledger, you know, building our own because
You know, when you own that that core bit of it, you can do a lot more. And, you know, you you can really push the envelope. We started coming up with like lots of different sort of friction points that Sam was running into, like, you know, little dumb things like you know, uploading a s a sewer scope video. Sam was previously getting that, you know, MP4. It actually was like a weird format.
it was like a weird format off his like SewerScope machine. And then he’d have to like put that on YouTube and then share a YouTube link with his client. And it was just like all this like roundabout stuff. And you know, I guess for me coming from a software product background, it just seemed like kind of ridiculous. and so you know, we we ended up you know creating our own little video conversion. So you can just upload a file and then like that just appears in your report almost like an embedded, you know, video and you know, stuff like that. So
Nick (08:17.321)
you know, and then of course we’ll I’m sure we’ll talk more about this in a minute, but you know, the the whole AI piece you know, is is its own, you know, frontier, honestly. and we’re still kind of thinking through ways that we can, you know, we can bring those that new technology into various, you know, pieces of the inspection. But I I’ve been talking for a bit, so I’ll I’ll let Sam go.
Reuben Saltzman (08:40.298)
Yeah, I’ve I’m writing down questions as fast as I can. It’s like I wanna dig into every one of these right now, but but we gotta introduce Sam first. This is this is so good. All right, Sam, take it away.
Sam Despres (08:43.115)
Okay.
Nick (08:43.82)
Yeah.
Sam Despres (08:46.53)
Good.
Nick (08:47.365)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sam Despres (08:51.116)
Yeah, so I I was born in a small town in Canada. moved to the Salt Lake City area when I was about eight years old. I’ve lived here ever since. and like Nick said, we met in high school, and then we both went to the University of Utah. I actually studied mechanical engineering at at the U and worked as a mechanical engineer for a mine called Rio Tinto Okenicott here in in the valley in Salt Lake.
And that was a fun job. I was a maintenance engineer. So I was, you know, basically I was planning out the maintenance for a huge fleet of of mining equipment. and it varied. I got moved to a couple different areas. and then ended up in a maintenance supervision position, which involved also supervising the maintenance of the shop that the maintenance was done in. so that was a lot of like commercial building maintenance experience there.
and and this is all is all kind of like building up in the background without me realizing what it was all leading to. but then I left that job and started a home building company with one of my best friends, also from college. his name’s Jeff. We had a company called Northern Tier Builders and built new homes, did big remodels a lot in the Salt Lake and Park City area. got into some really high end stuff up in Park City at the ski resorts there. and then strangely enough, I got
really sick and it turned out I was allergic to cedar, Doug Fur, and s and some other woods. And I got asthma, pneumonia, the whole bit. And and then it got to where like other dusts that are like pretty inert and I wasn’t allergic to like drywall dust and things like that were also affecting me because my airway was so, you know, inflamed from the allergy. and and so anyway, I had to make a shift.
And so it was like, you know, what’s a natural fit for somebody with, you know, now six years of construction experience, an engineering background, and all that, right? And it was like I had a friend, his name’s Andrew. He owns a company called Joe to Home Inspections here in Salt Lake, and he’s a killer inspector. And I was just watching he he had a good Instagram presence, and I was like, hey, he’s having fun. So I called him and he was so gracious and just took me and like let me shadow him.
Sam Despres (11:17.868)
And he gave me, you know, the ins and outs was like this if I was starting new, I would try this, I would buy this tool, I would do this, and just like gave me all that that intel right from the beginning, which is huge. it’s kinda like what you were saying before, right? Like there’s no you don’t need to have secrets in this industry, right? If if if we all help each other, it kinda helps everyone. and so he did that and then I got into inspections and that was three and a half years ago. And I really haven’t looked back.
Like I I miss some of the guys I worked with in construction and and some parts of that, but you know, the inspection gig has been really good. and I’ve had a lot of fun with this.
Reuben Saltzman (11:57.717)
It it feels like you glossed over that very quickly though. You said, I got into inspections. Like that that’s that’s a big thing.
Sam Despres (12:02.912)
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it it was a big thing. Yeah. So I I took a year to phase out my last project. the last project I did was it was a really cool house. It was ski in ski out house up at the Deer Valley Ski Resort. it was a multi-million dollar remodel with just wild details. I like at a a wine cellar that was temperature controlled that had like a backlit onyx slab behind it. Like it was
Reuben Saltzman (12:20.982)
That’s cool.
Sam Despres (12:33.132)
It was crazy. we get that so I that project took a long time. And towards the end there was a lot of just like dribbling details of like this last light fixtures coming in and that. So I was like still not done, but like the clients were using it. So I wasn’t there all the time. So I was able to get, you know, I got Internachi certified, did some test inspections for friends, like inspected my own house, inspected family members’ houses, just gave them reports, you know, just
For fun. got lot of practice with that, was shadowing Andrew. and then just doing research and and taking, you know, online classes and all that. and just was preparing. And then I without realizing it, I’d already built a pretty good network. So, you know, as a builder, you know, you get to know different clients that are gonna buy and sell houses. You get to know different realtors. in in that in that area I could
walk into a realtor’s office and say like, hey, you know, I was I built a house up the road or walk into a an open house in a neighborhood that I’d worked in. And I’d like, hey, I did a remodel on such and such house. Like, yeah, I I toured that place after they sold it. So they’d know I kind of got I’d just enough of a name from that little bit of work that I could go and have some people say, yeah, I think you would do good work and give me a shot on an inspection. And in about six months
My books were full enough that like I didn’t feel like I was making a mistake anymore, you know? so yeah, and it was fun. and you know, I I tried everything, right? You know, the the lunch and learns and all those different things that you can try to sponsor and and some of it worked, some of it didn’t, but but in the end, it was really just kind of getting face to face. Like open houses work great for me to meet realtors and and get some work that way and then just
Reuben Saltzman (14:06.142)
That’s really good. Yeah.
Sam Despres (14:30.296)
From there asking them like, Hey, is there anyone else in your office that maybe needs an inspector? And and they’d pass your name out. And and so I’ve gotten a really good tight group of of people that I I work with now. And obviously you get, you know, buyers that find you naturally through your website and different things like that. But I think, you know, for me at least, the the majority of my work has been repeat stuff from from realtors that I’ve I’ve built a r a relationship with. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (14:55.83)
Sure, sure. And when you first got started, what software were you using?
Sam Despres (15:03.274)
I I jumped right into Spectora. Yeah. So I I did their trial. I I forget what all that included, but I I started with that. I liked it. And honestly, like I the the when when I was using it and and got into it, I think their their main report writing software, it does its job, right? It has you have your payment, you have your your writing, you have your contracts, you have all that like kind of built in.
And that’s kind of what I when we started building our software, I was like, this is this is the the benchmark, right? Like we need to be able to do all these things. and but then we need to also have these improvements on some of these issues I was seeing. Because right off the bat, personally, I s I saw a few bugs, wrote in a report, and it was like, yeah, so like I I had
Reuben Saltzman (15:39.134)
Mm.
Reuben Saltzman (15:55.894)
Like what? Tell me what?
Sam Despres (15:59.541)
I was using an iPad at the time. I I switched to since using my iPhone. but I I was using an iPad to do my my reports on site. and and it came the keyboard it came with, I think they call it the magic keyboard or something like that. But the arrow keys did not work on Spectoro’s text editor. And I submitted a bug probably quarterly saying, Hey, my arrow keys still don’t work. My arrow keys still don’t work. And they’re like, which model of keyboard are you using? I submitted the keyboard. I bought different keyboards, I bought four different keyboards.
None of them had worked for me. and and it they were like, yeah, try a different model, try updating this and that. And never worked. and it just drove me nuts, right? Because like you say, you’re like you, you have a a pre-written note, and it and maybe your note says just something that’s not quite perfect for that one house, and you’re like, I just want to change one word, tap, tap, tap on your arrows. But no, I had to like get into my cursor and select the location or or do that. And it just that this is graded on me, right? And like that’s that’s one example.
Nick (16:28.559)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (16:28.688)
yeah.
Sam Despres (16:58.414)
then there was the version I think it was version 10 they called it, but their new it was kind of like a a beta test, right? But then they stopped supporting their original version of the software and forced you into the new version, which was still a beta test, but wasn’t really a beta test anymore because you’re forced into using it as a paying customer, right? Which again kind of bugged me because I I performed one entire inspection.
and there was a bug that must have just come out that day and not a single one of my photos saved after I’d left site. So I was I went through, you know, I would I would fill out my report, right? And and I just knew it. So I was like, defect photo, defect photo, fill it out, go, ran through my checklist, everything’s green checks. I was like, we’re good, let’s head home. and you know, I I had my walkthrough of the client and everything, and I get home.
Reuben Saltzman (17:36.768)
Mm, mm.
Sam Despres (17:56.941)
and proofreading my notes. And I was like, why are there no photos? That’s weird. And like, luckily they all saved my camera roll. But yeah, but like it was just kinda like it that moment of panic and just issues like that where it was just like for what I was paying them to be testing the issues and and like, look, everything’s gonna have a bug here and there. But I just found that there was like not a I didn’t find a a clear response to what I was going through.
Reuben Saltzman (18:03.995)
luckily, yeah. Okay. right.
Reuben Saltzman (18:21.814)
Okay.
Sam Despres (18:25.408)
And I was like, I there have to be other people that are talking about like the key the arrow keys don’t work on their iPad or something, right? and and then just some things I found a little clunky that I was like, I think we could improve upon this aspect of it. you know, like personally, like on the app, there’s a lot of juggling back and forth between the website and like the web page and the app itself and and things like that. and then and like Nick mentioned, there was just some other little friction points like I do.
In a di I don’t know what all you guys can do. I know it’s a little regional, but like in Utah, as an inspector, I can, you know, I can do sewer scope videos, I do mold testing, do radon testing, and and meth testing. and so those reports were all separate things, and I could add them as attachments, but I didn’t find that that process, at least at the time, notified the clients very well.
So people just weren’t seeing him. You’re always like trying to direct them to like, hey, go find that attachment in the software. And I was struggling with it. So I just ended up like I would email the agent and the client, which again, it’s it’s not that hard. It’s just when you do, you know, two inspections a day, you have a few add-ons per inspection. You might be writing, you know, four, six, eight emails a day on top of your regular inspection and having to explain your results, attach that file.
Send it to the right people. Where now, you know, on the new software, it’s just like upload the file. You can hit the notify button. You can have pre-written narratives if it’s, you know, if it’s a clean math test, you don’t have to say much more than your pre-written narrative for that. So I’ve got that all kind of ready to go. and no no fumbling with finding an email or or you know, yeah, which which address did that go to? Cause it all just it it it it’s a lot easier to keep everything straight. And then everything’s in one place for your client too.
Nick (20:14.641)
I I I guess I would also just, you know, say like, you know, we’re we’re we’re not we’re not hearing it just like totally trash on on Spectora. You know, they they obviously every like they’re the standard in the industry right now. I think I think Sam and I just have this sort of mad devotion toward eliminating the labor and friction that goes with all the data entry and stuff around the inspection.
Sam Despres (20:18.541)
Yeah.
Nick (20:42.561)
And I think that was like kind of really like the the main aim of home trace and kind of you know, maybe what sets us apart is like, you know, I think our general philosophy is that like the inspector should you know, should be all about the inspection and the client walkthrough and that that service piece and all that like tedium that surrounds it that takes up your hours, takes up your evenings, you know, dinners with family, whatever it is.
You know, that’s the kind of stuff that we want to to automate, you know, as much as possible, while still preserving you know, some control. you know, and we’ll we’ll we can talk more about that, but but yeah.
Sam Despres (21:23.074)
Yeah. Yeah. And and like kind kind of like Nick had said, like I Nick was in this spot where he was looking at some projects to work on and and I just we started talking about the home maintenance thing. and then it just quickly led to, well, how would we tie it into your report? And then realized may maybe we should just write a whole new report writing software. And and that’s when, you know, I stopped and thought, like, what would I want in in that? And it was like,
Reuben Saltzman (21:24.246)
Okay.
Sam Despres (21:53.537)
I want everything to be under one roof, right? So again, like you have your CRM, you have your payments, you have your report writing, and that like I want the file sharing and management for all those extra files that we do, all those tests. those were all that that was like the the baseline. And then and then it was like, and then let’s see what we can build in for AI help and tools and see if there’s anywhere that that can help us. And it started off really basic. Like we have
a phone number you can text in the software and you can you can just from if you receive a text from a client or an agent or something, if they don’t want to like book online or or you know if you’re just having like a more natural conversation and you just like hey can you just text me the address and the client name and then you can copy that message text it to home trace and it will know your phone number from your account and it’ll create a draft inspection with like that address and whatever info you put in there.
So like you could and so like that’s just one easy, like slick, fun tool that we put in that is, you know, I use it all the time because I have a you know, an open relationship with some of these people that they’re like friends and they just we text each other and hey, how’s it going? I’ve got a client who’s looking for an inspection. When are you available? I could do that Wednesday. And then like, okay, that would work for us. Just text me the details. You don’t need to go on the website or anything, right? And I can just it it takes me no time, so I don’t mind doing that.
Eric Houseman (23:09.194)
Yeah.
Sam Despres (23:21.918)
and it just it plugs in and then there’s no transcription errors, right? It’s it’s all direct. so like but that’s that was like one of the first things that was like a a small AI touch. And then it’s just sort of like grown from there to include just so many more more details. Like, I don’t know about you guys. go ahead.
Nick (23:41.359)
Yeah. Yeah. So I was gonna say, I mean I we we could probably wax poetic about this for a while, but I yeah, I I don’t know, Ruben, if if you were if you were sitting on a question here.
Sam Despres (23:48.471)
Yeah.
Sam Despres (23:52.578)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (23:53.331)
No, this this is good. I mean, I I wanted to I I’ve got a lot of questions, but I feel like you’re probably gonna come across most of them naturally. Like w what what else are you doing that’s super cool with AI? I mean, tell me what it looks like to be using your software.
Nick (24:08.889)
Yeah. Yeah, totally. well, yeah, I I guess I can I can explain a little bit. so yeah, I mean I and again, kind of like our philosophy, I’d say in building product is a business is basically nothing more than a collection of the problems that you solve for your customers. And so we are constantly trying to expand the number of little problems that we’re solving, with you know, a a huge attention to to detail.
And so, you know, that ranges from I mean, and and it all kind of ends up around like data entry of one kind or another, right? So Sam was talking about, you know, creating the inspection itself, like, you know, from a text message or an email, you know, you know, and and then like to the sewer scope video conversion to like, and and I’ll I’ll t I’ll I’ll get into some of the the other stuff we’re doing with 3D room scans and stuff, but
the the centerpiece i would say of home trace is the agent you know i i coming kind of from the background that that i do working in ai for for a while you know or at least applied machine learning products you know kind of got a good sense of how this stuff should should work you know and how it should feel for the customer and so
You know, essentially we yeah, we started with kind of some of these like little features like analyzing your photos, like to extract the appliance information off of a data plate, for example, you know, and then putting that into your report. And then, you know, you’re typically doing that so you can figure out like how old a furnace is, you know, or whatever, and then you know, tell your client, like, hey, it’s it’s due, you know, for replacement in like five, 10 years, whatever. You know, that this stuff, you know, it’s like that’s another little like micro point of friction. It’s like most guys are like.
Talking to ChatGPT, and they’re like, hey, here’s the serial number and the appliance and the brand. You know, can you decode this for me really quick? Or you do it with Google, or you did it with this website that I guess Sam could remind me of the name of it, but it was just like this kind of horrific experience. I don’t know. So so we started with these sorts of things, and then the agent actually ties all of these tools together now. this was our big launch, maybe like a month ago. and you know, essentially.
Nick (26:31.737)
Everyone’s used to now using Chat GPT. It’s a household kind of product. and and and so we we really tried to emulate that sort of experience and allow you to connect Home Trace to your agents and whatever. So Home Trace basically, I’d say our core superpowers, we built what’s called a harness around a variety of models. So a harness is basically all of the machinery around an agent. So like the tools that you give it.
the you know the prompts, the the data that you expose to it. our goal with the agent was to let let you do essentially any operation on your home inspection reports through natural language. So you can in sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Reuben Saltzman (27:19.542)
Okay, I mean, if it doesn’t look like my head is exploding, it’s just because I’m processing this. I’m not disinterested. I I th this is this is crazy if if you’re saying what I think you’re saying. let let me try to explain it back and tell me if I got this right. You’re saying that with your software, there’s a way for it to tie into whatever AI robot I’m using, whether it’s chat or Claude or whatever.
Nick (27:23.981)
Well,
Sam Despres (27:25.399)
Ha ha
Nick (27:48.038)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (27:48.447)
I can make them talk to each other and I could set something up. I could create like what used to be a custom GPT, maybe now they’d call it a plug-in in chat. And I could say, I’m gonna take pictures of the furnace and the water heater and the air conditioner and blah blah blah. I’m gonna have all these pictures. It’s gonna be the first 20 pictures that I take. I want you to analyze these photos and I want you to put them in the software.
in the appropriate location and describe the make and the model and the year built and if necessar well not if necessary and every time insert a comment based just upon the age. I could create my own custom plugin and it would work with your software. Is that what you’re telling me?
Nick (28:34.287)
Yes. yes. So ba sorry, I yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Zen. Go ahead, Sam. Yep. So
Sam Despres (28:34.486)
Yeah. In fact.
Reuben Saltzman (28:37.991)
Okay. All right. That’s wild.
Sam Despres (28:40.302)
In fact, you don’t even need to create the plugin. Nick, Nick has done that. So the our our agent already has access to all that. So all you have to do is walk in, take your photos of the furnace and the data tag, and say, analyze these photos and fill out my furnace appliance for me. And then you walk away. And then and then you can say, and by the way, add a defect for a dirty filter and the condensate line is cracked, and the flu pipe has, you know, is is in contact with some wood and there’s not enough clearance.
Reuben Saltzman (28:45.203)
okay.
Reuben Saltzman (28:54.856)
Of course you’ve already done that. Okay, all right.
Sam Despres (29:09.922)
And then it’ll find those prewritten narratives for you, populate the photos you just took of all those things, and it timestamps that photo from when you said it and boom, puts it in the right place for you.
Nick (29:19.569)
Yeah. So maybe just to like clarify this a little a little bit more. So so the way Sam and all of our inspectors tend to use Home Trace is that they’re using the built-in home trace agent for the most part. Cause when you’re going through the inspection, the big emphasis we have with the agent is voice. So voice and photos. So you basically have a way to quickly like you know open a narration and while you’re narrating, you can go around the home and take photos.
Sam Despres (29:32.984)
Mm-hmm.
Nick (29:49.542)
And then you hit done. And then the agent sees, okay, I see all these photos that are time-stamped to these certain times, and it matches it up with your dictation and it files everything in the report. It fills out your specifications, like the descriptive items, and then also the defects, and also attaches all the photos to the right places. I mean, that stuff it’s really fun and cool. But the I guess the other side of it, kind of to your to you know to your plug-in question, we have
it’s called MCP. I mean, you you may or may not have heard of this, but this this is like the the kind of the common way that agents talk to each other. And so we built a an integration with like Chat GPT and and Claude so you can plug those things in. And we actually had a guy this week use Claude to move from Spectora to Home Trace with his agent. So he basically said, here’s my Excel.
Reuben Saltzman (30:42.486)
Hm.
Nick (30:46.573)
export of my template, move me to Home Trace. And so he didn’t have to like set up his templates. He didn’t have to set up any, you know, and write any notes himself. it just all got ported over by Claude because Claude was talking to Home Trace. and it took him an hour.
Eric Houseman (30:58.963)
Okay.
Reuben Saltzman (31:03.615)
See, okay. I I figured we’d come across this stuff naturally. That was gonna be one of my questions. All right. Eric, go ahead.
Nick (31:07.766)
Yeah.
Eric Houseman (31:09.139)
Yeah, yeah, okay. So I I want to go back. Like when we did this during COVID times, we switched software and we went from someone else over to Spectora. And thankfully, we had someone who was willing to kind of iron out the details of that transition. And it was messy. George spent I don’t even know how many hours putting the template together, even though
Sam Despres (31:34.051)
Mm-hmm.
Eric Houseman (31:39.178)
We were told most of it was going to import over. And again, this isn’t slamming anybody. A lot’s changed in the past five or six years, right? But what what is the the actual like percentage or the amount of work that can be done taking one template from a certain software and bringing it over to you? Like how much work do I need to do after the fact?
Nick (32:05.115)
Well, yeah, I mean, I’d I would say, you know, just to be totally honest, like there might be a couple of things that you have to tweak on the back end of that just because our format could be a little bit different from where you’re coming from. but like generally speaking, now, like, you know, it should be extremely hands off. Like it’s basically a matter of saying, here’s my template, like, you know, my export from home gauge or Spectora or whatever it is. I’ve I’ve seen so many of these.
And then you basically give that to Claude. And then Claude talks to Home Trace. And Home Trace like, hey, here’s how our whole software is laid out. adapt everything, you know, to our to our format. you know, it and it’s something and it’s it’s the same format that you’d probably expect of most softwares. You know, it’s like you got your descriptive items, you got areas, you got subsections, you got notes and defects and stuff like that. people just lay it all out a little bit differently. but yeah, I mean, so like
With with the the gentleman I was I was mentioning before who who migrated over in an hour, I mean like that was probably like two minutes of work for him and then like an hour of churning for Claude. and then on the back end, you know, maybe a you know, maybe like, you know, a another few minutes to kind of get your bearings and and like s you know, swap a a few things around. The agents, you know, I’ll I’ll be the first to admit, the agents are never like totally perfect all the time. So
You know, there there there there might be a little bit of adaptation, but it should be fairly stress free.
Sam Despres (33:34.828)
And and to put a bit more context too, like he he’s a multi-inspector firm with multiple templates. and I think he was also importing like his contacts list and pricing and different things like that too. So it it can set it all up really well. So yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (33:51.775)
Okay. All right. d so many more questions. And I mean, I told you we’re gonna try to have this a half hour, but this clearly I hope you guys got more time ’cause this is gonna be a lot more than that. I got too many questions, I’m sorry.
Nick (33:56.987)
Mm-hmm.
Sam Despres (34:03.17)
Yeah, we’re having fun. Yeah.
Nick (34:03.919)
Yeah. We’re we’re happy to keep going. I I’m just so excited to talk about it. So
Reuben Saltzman (34:07.976)
Okay. All right. So what does it look like when it ties into well, no I I got so many, I d I’m not even writing these down. But okay, first off, pricing. What does the price look like?
Nick (34:26.083)
Yeah. So this was actually another part of our sort of business philosophy, which is that the existing incumbents in this space are charging like luxury prices for you know honestly like fairly, fairly outdated and basic stuff. Like for example, I I I I I don’t know if they’re still doing this, but I did see, you know, at some point Spectora was charging something like two grand for website hosting.
that’s just bundled in home trace our base plan, which is fifty dollars a month. we we charge sixty dollars a month. I’m sorry.
Reuben Saltzman (35:02.166)
Per user.
Fifty a month per user per seat.
Sam Despres (35:07.16)
Correct.
Nick (35:07.853)
yeah, for for solos. And then if you’re a team, we we do it’s a sixty dollar a month plan for teams and then you can add new inspectors for fifty.
Reuben Saltzman (35:18.238)
Okay. All right. Got it.
Nick (35:19.439)
A month. So I think that puts us at about half or even less than half of something like Spectora, but with a whole bunch more functionality. you know, I like I I don’t know if we’re like totally feature to feature with Spectora. I they they probably have you know, some some some things we don’t, but I think for anything you actually care about, we’re your kind of one stop shop. So like Sam was saying, when you when you
come into Home Trace, you’ve got a website that comes with that that integrates with your bookings. so you can take bookings through through your site and the site looks really good, at least I think. And just it’s out an out-of-the-box template. But you know, we were we were we were just like, you know, I mean you could do a Squarespace site for I don’t I don’t know, eight, ten bucks a month. You know, you don’t need to be paying someone else twenty five hundred dollars a year for website hosting an SEO. That’s just
That’s kind of an antiquated and an unnecessary kind of thing, we you know, we think. So you also get, you know, a review system. So people can leave reviews for your for your inspections. you know, you also get access to the home trace agent. you know, that that’s no extra like charge. So all the AI features, everything comes standard. I mean, that and and and you know, I I another part of this I think is that we also thought like another opinion that we have is that.
A lot of these software packages are like way too complex. We were just like, look, you just pay like one pay us one fair price and you just get everything. you can upgrade the amount of AI usage that you get if you hit your caps, which are really generous. So we don’t have a lot of people doing that. but you know, beyond that, you also get access to, you know, if you have an iOS device, our brand new feature that we are super, super excited about.
Reuben Saltzman (36:59.328)
So it
Nick (37:19.499)
Is 3D room scanning with LIDAR. so I didn’t even know this. So it actually we we were at a meeting at a coffee shop with you know, a another inspector, and he he brought up this idea that he really wanted softwares to implement, which is like, can I walk around like a like a house with a 360 cam on my shoulder and just have it, you know, I’ll just be talking out loud and then just like have it log everything in my report, and then I’m just like done, and then I have like a
Reuben Saltzman (37:22.858)
Mm.
Nick (37:47.738)
3D model of the house that I can hand to my client, and then they can see exactly where I’m pinpointing all the issues. And then they can hand that to their seller, you know, or or or the seller’s agent, and you know, have them like, you know, basically they they can see where all the repairs need to be done. And so a contractor could like theoretically also pick up that same 3D model.
And you know, and use that to pinpoint, you know, where the cover plates are missing on, you know, the outlets or whatever, you know, and and and and and sometimes it’s just really hard to communicate through like a PDF report, like this is precisely where I’m seeing this and this and this. and so we took we took that idea, we ran with it, and we started with iOS because I didn’t know this until like last week. every
iPhone models since the 14 Pro has shipped with a LIDAR sensor. You know, and they’re not like, you know, they’re not like commercial grade or anything like that, like, but they they get the job, the job done. And yeah, and like I think it’s, you know, it’s like a six, nine foot range or something like that. But, you know, so we just basically released this feature where you can sweep a room with your phone. It takes about 30 seconds, I mean, depending on how big the room is, and it gets all of the planes and windows and doors.
Sam Despres (38:52.344)
They were
Nick (39:10.667)
And you can get this 3D representation of a house or a room. You can, you know, go through a whole house if you want and and model the whole thing. And then you can pin exactly where each item that you’ve come across is you know actually sits. And yeah, we we’re we’re super excited about that. And then we integrated it with the agent. So so now it’s like an AI-powered 3D room scanning feature. So basically.
Reuben Saltzman (39:27.615)
Crazy.
Nick (39:39.801)
you can narrate as you’re moving around a room, take photos, and it’ll after you’re done, it’ll just kind of sit and think about it for a second and it’ll place pins for you. So you don’t even have to do that part. you just kind of are the final checker at the end.
Reuben Saltzman (39:59.103)
Eric, how bad do you want to try this right now?
Eric Houseman (40:01.789)
I want to try it really bad because Ruben, and you have to defend me on this because I I know I mentioned this to you years ago. I had said, like, I think the future of home inspection software is a 3D report. And I envisioned for us at some point in time, like having someone on the team who would have a schedule.
Nick (40:01.816)
Ha ha.
Sam Despres (40:17.005)
Yeah, man.
Eric Houseman (40:27.719)
Of the houses that we were going to, and they would go out with like a Matterport device, and they would scan a house with a 3D scanner, and then somehow figure out, and of course, this is beyond me and Nick, this is this is why you exist in the world, right? Like figure out a way to link this and this, and you can hand this to a client. And rather just being, you know, words on a page with in some cases very innocuous photos.
Sam Despres (40:32.749)
Yeah.
Nick (40:43.421)
Sam Despres (40:43.789)
Yep.
Eric Houseman (40:57.755)
It’s a 3D report that anybody can walk through the house and and know exactly where you are and what you’re talking about. Yeah, this is this is everything that I I w I want to see right now. And I think that this is going to be kind of the future. And I think this is what is really going to impress clients and agents and set people apart.
Sam Despres (41:24.832)
I I’ve I I’ve been using it for a week now and I everybody that I’ve done an inspection for with it, I don’t think would want a report without this again. you know, like and it’s like the little stuff. Like how many times have you guys stayed late because a client wants to measure the living room to see if their couch is gonna fit or the bedroom or whatever, right? Yeah, we’ve all done it. And
Nick (41:24.837)
Yeah, I mean sorry, go ahe go ahead, Sam.
Reuben Saltzman (41:48.243)
yeah. yeah.
Sam Despres (41:49.056)
It’s in it’s in the report now. You’re like, hey, you’ve got a 3D scan. I it’s got dimensions. You got a floor plan of all the major rooms. Yeah. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (41:53.622)
It’s got dimensions too. Man. Okay.
Nick (41:55.494)
Yep. That actually it comes on your yeah, that’s like part of the operating system of your iPhone. It’s crazy. it it’ll measure walls, it’ll label walls, and you know, with tolerance probably within a few inches maybe. But it it’s good enough, like for for putting a couch, you know, measuring a couch.
Sam Despres (42:03.992)
Yeah.
Sam Despres (42:08.366)
Mm-hmm.
Reuben Saltzman (42:12.064)
Wow. Okay.
Sam Despres (42:12.066)
Yeah. And you know, or or how many times have you gotten a call that’s like, Hey, I see the photo, but where was that outlet that that you know, had reverse polarity? And then you’re scratching your head, you’re like, man, I didn’t write which room that was in when I put in that defect. And so you’re like scrolling through photos and trying to remember right where that was, if there was like one off or something. And now it’s like if you pin it as you go, it’s just there. Nobody has to ask a question. You know, you’re like it’s it’s in that bedroom. So
Reuben Saltzman (42:36.864)
Yeah. Yeah.
So obviously your reports are not PDF, it’s it’s what? It’s an HTML report, dynamic reports.
Nick (42:47.161)
Yeah, so we we do PDFs as well. what you get in the PDF with the 3D room scans is you get the floor plan that exports just kind of by default. but on the web, what you can do and and what I what I think is really cool is like so you get the report, you know, in in this nice, very well formatted web page and you get a
basically a rooms page. And you can go into each room and you can take your mouse or your finger, you can spin the room around, you can pinch Zoom and you can like look at stuff and see where all the pins are. and and then as a, you know, like a the buyer’s agent or whomever, if they want to submit a repair request, they can basically share a version of that report with only the stuff that you want to share. but you can share the 3D rooms with your
your seller, seller’s agent. and so then they can just basically take that and run with it and and then just hand that to like an electrician or a plumber or a you know, whomever. and it’s all shareable.
Reuben Saltzman (43:42.142)
Mm.
Reuben Saltzman (43:52.725)
And and so if you have an HTML report and then someone wants to get a PDF version of it, I’m assuming that any videos that the inspectors took, and I didn’t even ask, but I’m assuming if you could embed a sewer scan video, you can clearly have short clips and stuff. I’m assuming all of those clips just show up as links in the PDF where they can click it. And then you’re hosting all of these videos. Is that what you’re saying? You’re hosting a a 10 minute sewer scan video.
Sam Despres (44:11.309)
Yes.
Nick (44:14.543)
Yeah.
Nick (44:22.245)
Yeah. I mean luckily storage storage is pretty cheap these days. we we we put these things on like the cloud.
Sam Despres (44:22.542)
Mm-hmm.
Reuben Saltzman (44:23.936)
Okay.
Okay. All right.
Reuben Saltzman (44:30.708)
Okay. All right. Love that. And then so you it I mean, everything you’ve been talking about, it sounds like this is just like home inspection software online, everything that a one my one man shop would need in a box. I mean, it’s like it’s got your website, your agreements. You’ve you you handle payment. You didn’t explicitly say it, but you kind of implied it. You handle payment.
Sam Despres (44:53.762)
Yes.
Nick (44:53.861)
Yep. yeah. Yep.
Reuben Saltzman (44:59.2)
The website, I mean, all the stuff that someone starting out would need. And I mean, it sounds like it is so easy for a one-man shop just to plug right into your stuff and get going with it. What about someone who’s got an established company and we’re using other software to do some of this stuff? I mean, for us, you know, it’s it’s no secret. We we we use Spector, we’ve talked about it, and
Sam Despres (45:12.59)
Totally.
Nick (45:25.563)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (45:27.648)
But we only use Spectora for home inspection reports. We don’t even use them for scheduling or any of that other stuff. They offer it, but we use the most complicated and maybe dynamic system out there, which is ISN. I mean, I don’t think anything holds a candle to what ISN can do. It’s just, I mean, it’s it’s huge. I’m assuming your system ties into ISN, yes?
Nick (45:44.944)
Mm-hmm.
Nick (45:50.223)
Yeah.
Nick (45:56.752)
So actually not yet. we so and this might kind of give you a sneak preview into where maybe we want to take things. So the back office portion, especially for multi-inspector firms, you know, is it’s I mean, that’s a big deal, right? And that’s actually been, you know, a blocker to a lot of folks like moving over to Home Trace is because they’re like, like I have all this stuff in my like my this whole ISN system and the back office system.
Reuben Saltzman (45:58.667)
Okay.
Reuben Saltzman (46:11.989)
Yeah.
Nick (46:24.349)
And you know, and and so honestly, I think that’s kind of where we we want to go next. I mean, we handle for you know, for your basic solo inspector, and and even for for teams, you know, like we do handle a lot of the key stuff I think you would you would want. You know, you can divvy out inspections to your team members, you know, you can you know manage all of their you know their data. You can you can basically see kind of like your team view, you know, my inspections, like
you can do payments, like scheduling, all that stuff. you know, one of the things that had kind of come across our desk that we really wanted to start going for is, you know, things like integrations with labs. you know, and so I know you can do this with ISN, you can do this I I think with with Home Gauge, although I’m I’m I’m not totally certain how long Home Gauge is gonna be around. but that’s just like word on the street, I guess.
Reuben Saltzman (47:19.51)
Sorry.
Sam Despres (47:20.724)
Yeah.
Nick (47:21.681)
but you know, like Sam uses Priority Lab for like you know, mold testing and stuff like that. and and and so having everything tie together and be agentically driven with AI, where you could be like, yo, like send my my information, my d the data everything you need to get you know, over to Priority Lab, you know, send that over and it’ll just be done. And then
the results, you know, just pop back into your inspection automatically when when they come back. but yeah, so I mean that’s, you know, I I’m not gonna sit here and tell you we we are an ISN replacement. but that’s that’s, you know, that’s where I think part of where we want to take it. You know, again, in the spirit of eliminating friction, that’s that’s our vision. It’s just like any touch point, like even folks who, you know, answer the phone and
Reuben Saltzman (48:02.515)
No, no.
Nick (48:17.945)
And you know, are like entering in client information and scheduling new inspections. Like, you know, we we want to take care of those folks too.
Reuben Saltzman (48:24.83)
Excellent. All right. is there anything else that you wanted to talk about that I didn’t ask you about?
Nick (48:33.039)
man. yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (48:35.744)
Do you let me ask you this? Do you offer a free trial for home inspectors who want to just see what this looks like?
Sam Despres (48:41.29)
Absolutely. Yeah, so yep, we we’ve got a a a thirty day a 30 day trial as standard and then I’m sure we could work something out. but we have different offers with you know different Internacchi members or through different schools, there are some longer trial periods as well that are available. And we could probably find get a link over to to your subscribers as well for a longer trial if people want trials too.
Nick (48:42.383)
Yep. Yep. We definitely do. Sam, I don’t know if yeah, you want to take a little bit of that.
Reuben Saltzman (48:43.178)
Okay.
Nick (49:09.263)
Yeah. Listeners of this podcast will also get yeah, a discount. and yeah. but
Reuben Saltzman (49:15.512)
how do they get the discount? How does that work?
Nick (49:17.969)
So basically we’ll give you a code. and I I think it’s just home trace.co slash structure. and then they can go there and yeah. this is this should probably be something we yeah, like stick in the show notes or something like that. But but yeah, we’ll we’ll hash that out. But isn’t that yeah, it’s like the the podcaster way of of doing things.
Reuben Saltzman (49:27.636)
Okay. All right. We’ll have a custom URL they can go to. Okay.
Reuben Saltzman (49:36.448)
We will put it in the show notes. Yeah. Click the link in the show notes. And this is all stuff we can do later. Yeah.
Sam Despres (49:40.064)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nick (49:46.566)
But also if you’re an Internachi member, there there’s also a way to get a discount as well. If you go to the Internacchi offers portal, you’ll find us there as well. There’s an offer code and you can get a discount as well or an extended free trial. but yeah, that’s that’s kind of the the the main way of we you know we have of doing it.
Sam Despres (50:03.382)
And just
Sam Despres (50:08.076)
Something else I’d like to throw out there is if there’s any students at any inspection schools across the country that are listening, we’ve been partnering with different schools. But if we are not partnered with your school yet and your school offers partnerships, we would love to offer students at at every school access to this, as well as access to their teachers. so everybody can kind of see how it works too. So
Reuben Saltzman (50:30.334)
Okay. All right. Excellent. Well, you guys, this is this is great. w we are gonna be trying this. I I mean I I I told you earlier that I’m not gonna try it because it’s so much work to switch software as Eric talked about, but there’s no way we can not try this. I mean we have to.
Nick (50:39.814)
Yeah. We’d we’d like to use that. Yeah.
Sam Despres (50:39.894)
I I’d love to see yeah.
Nick (50:48.571)
Yeah. Yeah.
Sam Despres (50:53.386)
And and I I want to throw out too, like I just kind of kudos to to Nick. Like he’s a very talented developer. and as people have used this and brought ideas to the table, Nick translates it into a usable tool very efficiently. and he’s been open to like all of our users we’ve had a very interactive relationship with because you know we’re a small business and we’re trying to take care of all of our customers.
But if somebody has an idea or like, you know, you’re like, man, everything except for this is perfect. I you know, I don’t wanna I don’t wanna speak for Nick, but I can almost guarantee that he has, you know, something in his back pocket that he’s like, Well, I’ll have that for you next week. you know, ’cause he’s he’s he’s just done it the whole way through. So it’s been I’ve been very impressed as a not developer guy, watching him be able to do all that. It’s pr it’s pretty incredible. So
Nick (51:45.797)
Yeah.
N nothing is more exciting to me than an inspector with a problem that they that they need solved or even a problem with home trace. because like literally like almost everything that we get from our users translates into value for everyone. you know, and so we that’s like again, part of our kind of business philosophy is just like hard charge at the friction points, you know, and and make sure the core product is super solid. yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (52:16.704)
Well, yeah, and it it sounds like you enjoy doing this. I mean, I wrote this down. You said earlier in the podcast, I love this quote, you said a business is nothing more than a collection of problems you solve for your clients. Sounds like you’re all about that.
Nick (52:31.727)
Yeah. Yep. Yeah. And and by the way, I I won’t say I’m the first one to use that quote, but that’s I it’s I got that from somewhere and it’s really kind of infused into the way that we work. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (52:33.31)
It’s really good.
Reuben Saltzman (52:42.846)
Okay. All right. That’s good. Well, again, for our listeners, if you want to find these guys, you can well, you can go to the show notes. I will have a link. And if you want to just go directly to their website to check them out, it’s home correct me if I’m home trace.co, correct? Okay.
Nick (52:59.739)
Correct. Yeah, not not calm. Calm was taken. I don’t know why. I don’t know who’s taken. Yeah.
Sam Despres (52:59.854)
Correct.
Yeah. Home trace dot CL. Yep.
Reuben Saltzman (53:03.146)
Hmm, who took that? Okay. All right. Hometrace.co will have your info and any any last words before we wrap up here?
Nick (53:14.949)
No, just just thank you for for having us on. We’re we’re super stoked to be part of, you know, the structured tech, structured talk kind of ecosystem. And yeah.
Sam Despres (53:24.398)
Yeah, thanks for your time today, guys.
Reuben Saltzman (53:24.415)
Love to have you guys on. And again, can’t wait to try this out. For our listeners, if you got any thoughts, questions, whatever, please write into us. We read all the emails. Our email is podcast at structuretech.com. And we will catch you next time. Take care.