Today we’re going to talk about new construction inspections and why it’s different from the standard home inspection.
Reuben shares about their team inspection experience with a new house. He talks about pre-drywall inspections which require knowledge in codes and blueprints. He highlights that home inspectors look at a completely different list and specialized inspectors in other states take four to six hours to complete the job. He then shares his observations, questions, and clarifications about the building in progress.
They talk about defects they found in new home inspections that cause a great inconvenience for everyone involved in the building process. Tessa asks about the acceptance and pushback among builders. She also shares about a case with a deck attachment issue that opened up an investigation of all the houses in a new development. Then they discuss another inspection that focuses on improper installation, clearances, spacing, inadequate levels of insulation, siding errors, etc. They also talk about 10- or 11-month warranty inspections.
Reuben also talks about other competitors and the difference between the inspection reports. He highlights the importance of apple-to-apple comparisons in choosing an inspection company.
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Bill Oelrich: Welcome everybody. You’re listening to Structure Talk, a Structure Tech presentation. My name is Bill Oelrich alongside Tessa Murry and Reuben Saltzman. As always, your three-legged stool coming to you from the Northland, talking all things houses, home inspections, and anything else that’s rattling around in our brains. Welcome to today’s episode. Maybe you heard Reuben stepping all over me at the beginning. Maybe you didn’t.
Reuben Saltzman: I tried. I wanted to say the intro with you, but you have none of that. You made us re-record it. Maybe you could play it again at the end of the show.
BO: Sure, sure.
RS: A blooper for you.
Tessa Murry: Bloopers. Yeah.
BO: Yes, yes. So it was fantastic. I started talking and then Reuben started talking and we were out of step, so I was like, “Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait.”
RS: Bill would not roll with it.
BO: I wasn’t having it. I wasn’t having it. It’s a Thursday and I haven’t had enough coffee, so…
RS: Sorry, Bill. I’ll never do that again.
BO: Okay. Glad we’ve got that covered. Well, on today’s episode, we wanted to talk a bit about new construction inspections. Home inspections that happen before you move into the house, way before drywall gets put up or maybe right before you move in, or maybe it’s 10, 11 months after you’ve been living there. And each of these inspections have their own name and I guess they all are designed to do the same thing, which is figure out if there are potentially any problems that you would want to know about as an owner, but they are much different than your standard home inspection. So we thought it’d be a good idea to have a conversation about why. And just to give some context, recently, somebody in our office is building a new house and they were able to set up what’s called a pre-drywall inspection and what Reuben, 56 of the 75 inspectors from Structure Tech came out and did a mock inspection.
RS: Yeah, some day we’ll have that many, but yeah, we had about two thirds of our team out there. It was a good showing.
TM: And this was really a training, wasn’t it?
RS: That’s what it was. Yeah. Yeah. We were there for a couple hours. Builder let us all go in there and use this house in progress as a sample and we went through. And most of the inspectors on our team do not do pre-drywall inspections. And just to define what a pre-drywall inspection is, as the name implies, it’s an inspection that happens before the drywall goes up. Ideally it’ll happen right before the drywall gets put up. So you’ll probably have insulation in the walls. You may or may not have insulation in the attic, but definitely before all the walls gets covered.
TM: Yeah. It’s a completely different animal because you’re really… You need to know framing and you need to know the codes and ideally how to look at blueprints too, right?
RS: Yeah. Yeah. There’s a lot to it. And being a home inspector, you’re looking at a completely different list of stuff. You’d think that it should all just transfer, but it really doesn’t. It is a completely different animal. You need to know the newest stuff. I was sitting there looking at a few details, kind of scratching my head going, “Why did they do this? I know there’s a reason for it,” but I don’t understand. For instance, there was one heat run where they brought it up through the middle of the wall by the stairway and then the heat register was gonna be right by the stairway. But instead of making a couple of big holes in the I-joists and you’re not supposed to make holes right near a bearing point, I get that, but they brought this duct back into the middle of the room about six, seven feet. And then they made a turn. They went through a couple of joists and then they went back to the stairway. So they got this huge U in the deck.
RS: And I know there’s a reason for it because I’ve seen it done before. And I think at one point I had someone explain it to me and I’ve since forgotten why, but it’s these little things like why is this happening? And unless you’re familiar with new construction, you do a lot of these pre-drywall inspections. It escapes you. It’s a different animal. I’ll leave it at that.
BO: Okay. And that’s why only a small portion of the team does them.
RS: That’s right. That’s right.
BO: In that situation that you just described, you see this odd looking HVAC run. How do you comment on it? Are you asking a question and getting clarification? Is that okay? Or do you put it in and say, get clarification if that’s okay? Or how do you report?
RS: Well, in this case, it was definitely not a defect. It was more of just a head scratch or like why the heck did they do this? But there’s other things where, I mean, it’s black and white. It’s wrong. Some of the things that we saw where there was a lot of damaged weather wrap, water resistant barrier that we will find on every new construction home. And that’s something that it’s kind of assumed that the builder is gonna take care of it right before the siding goes on. The siders are gonna have tape with them. They’re gonna fix all this stuff. That’s just standard stuff. But we found some damage trim on the overhead garage door opening. We found probably one of the biggest things we found. This is a controversial one. And you guys will remember this happened to somebody else on our team, where they had put the stairway in and the risers were not the right heights.
RS: On a stairway, you can’t have risers that vary more than three eighths of an inch. That’s the maximum difference you can have on any entire stairway. So at this house, we found there was about a, I don’t know, maybe a half inch or even seven sixteenth inch difference in riser heights. And we had to figure out what type of flooring was going in because that’s gonna affect the final rise of everything. And once we learned what type of flooring was going in, we realized, okay, this is going to be an even bigger gap once they’re all done. And that’s kind of a big deal. I mean, we had one inspector on our team. The builder ended up having to come back out when the house was completely finished, had to tear the whole stairway out and redo it. Huge inconvenience for everybody involved, for the builder, for the person on our team who was building this house, for everybody. And this is the stuff we’re trying to avoid.
TM: A lot of times too, I’ve done a handful of these. It’s been a while obviously, but it seems like clearances for exhaust and intake terminals, for combustion appliances or air-to-air exchangers can be a challenge too, a lot of the times. And we found a lot of problems with deck construction as well. So there’s just a lot of things that you have to really look closely at and you have to be familiar and comfortable with current building code.
RS: Yeah, definitely. One example, there was another thing we found was we saw where the drain was for the bathtub and there’s a certain distance that you need to have for all of the vents. If you have a trap here, if it’s a two inch pipe, you can’t have more than five feet of run on that drain before you’ve got a vent. And in this case, it was about a eight foot run before they had a vent. And so our question is, what’s going on here? Why is this eight feet? Was there a change in the code? We pulled out the code book during the inspection. Nope, it still says five feet. So then in this case, it was really just more of a question. Go back to the builder and ask them, why is this an eight foot run when the code says five? And maybe there’s some new exception that I don’t know about, but if not, well, it’s wrong.
BO: That was on a bathtub?
RS: That’s on a bathtub. That’s right.
TM: So how do you think most builders handle a home inspection company like us coming in to do these inspections? Do we get pushback a lot of the times?
RS: It depends. I think a lot of it depends on the job supervisor. Some of them are very accommodating and they wanna build the best house possible for their clients and they welcome this. We have had builders… A lot of builders will refer us. They’ll say, call Structure Tech because you know it’s not going to be this little nitpicky, oh, there’s a scratch here, scratch there. We’re reporting real stuff and we’re not making stuff up. We’re not making their life miserable by making things up basically. But there’s other builders who are not at all accepting of this. I remember there was an inspection I was at where this was not a pre-drywall. It was a new construction inspection. The house was mostly done. It was running behind schedule and the buyer’s realtor was there along with the job supervisor. The job supervisor was a dink. He was mean, he was abrasive and the agent was talking about a few of the things that I had found and talking about trying to get resolution. And the job supervisor, it got to a point where he goes, “I’m just trying to do my job and if you wanna go outside and settle this like a man, let’s go. We could take this out outside.” I mean, he’s threatening the agent. If he wants to fight him because he’s trying to get these things fixed.
RS: So Tessa, to use your favorite phrase, it depends.
TM: It depends.
RS: It depends.
TM: Yeah, I would just think that having a home, an inspector come in to look at all of these details would put a lot of builders kind of, make them anxious, I would think.
RS: Sure, sure. And if we’re in there reporting a bunch of stuff that’s inaccurate, let’s just wrong, like, “Hey, this meets code,” “There’s no problem”, and we’re writing it up. If I were a builder, I’d be really annoyed by that.
TM: Maybe even embarrassed. Yeah, maybe even embarrassed too. It’s like, now your client loses faith in you as a builder. How did this get missed or how did you make this mistake?
RS: Yeah, that’s why it’s important to be completely accurate with these inspections or you lose all credibility.
TM: Well, and for people listening too, I think it’s important to know if you are either A, a homeowner or a home buyer considering building a house, or B, a home inspector out there, there is a need and there’s a market for these pre-drywall inspections.
RS: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you know what’s interesting? I haven’t shared this with the team yet. I talked to a couple of people, but I was at an IEB conference down in Texas and I was having dinner with a couple of other inspectors and they said for these pre-drywall inspections, they’re spending like four to six hours on every one. I know, Tessa’s jaw just hit the floor.
TM: Oh my gosh.
RS: And they’re taking their hand, their standard home inspection fee and they tack on somewhere between 150 and 400 bucks. And that’s what they’re charging for pre-drywall. They’re taking the blueprints and they’re going around and verifying everything on the blueprints to what they actually have. I mean, this is almost a full day that they’re spending on this. And I can’t imagine that. We don’t do anything like that. I don’t know any home inspector in Minnesota who does, but I got really curious about this and I ended up talking to someone who’s doing this type of training for it and it’s his company down out of Florida. Well, I’ll say who it is. It’s Inspectagator. Good guys. It’s Jon Bolton, if you know him, and he said they’ve got one person on their team who does this training and it’s not even Jon. He’s not the one who does it.
RS: And that one person is the only person at their company who does pre-drywall inspections. The whole company, they got one person who does them. So I thought that was pretty fascinating and it just, it really underscores how specialized of an inspection this is. We’ll never get to a point where we got our whole team doing them.
TM: Definitely not. And actually one thing comes to mind too, and I think we’ve talked about this on our podcast before where we’ve had situations where we’ve challenged inspectors from the city on new construction inspections and findings, right?
RS: Oh yeah.
TM: Haven’t we met? Yeah. We talked about the inspection where one of our inspectors called out some issues with a deck and it shut down the whole…
BO: On the podcast?
RS: Oh my goodness. No, we haven’t. And I don’t remember the whole story. Do you Tess?
TM: Well, yeah, actually… Well, enough to share it I think. Shout out to Ed. Ed was doing an inspection on this new construction house and called out these issues with the deck and the attachment to the house. And the builder came back and said, “Hey, this house has already been inspected by the city and it’s been approved and everything. Didn’t we push back on that?” And then they ended up having the city inspector come back out and they found that sure enough they had missed this problem. And so it opened up an investigation of all the other houses in this new development that had decks and they found the same problem. And they ended up shutting down the builder temporarily I think and putting the city inspector on leave.
RS: Yes. Yes. That’s what happened Tess. It’s wild.
BO: What was the attachment issue?
TM: Oh, I can’t remember the specifics on it, but a pretty big deal obviously. [laughter]
RS: Yeah. It wasn’t just the attachment issue. There was a lot of stuff wrong with this deck. When I first heard the story, I kind of thought… I heard it in progress and I kind of thought, what kind of mess are we getting ourselves into? If the city has already signed off on this, why are we… What’s going on? How bad is this? And then I looked at the photos and went, oh yeah, that’s really wrong. How in the world could a city be signing off on this? And yeah, it was a big deal.
BO: So let’s be clear. What inspection was that? Was that this pre-drywall you’re referring to or is this the inspection right before they move in the house and close on the property, or…
BO: Oh, it was that?
TM: I think it was that.
BO: Okay. Okay. And not the… What we call 11th month warranty inspection?
RS: No, it wasn’t one of those. And I’ll say for a pre-drywall inspection, I don’t think I’ve ever done a pre-drywall inspection where the deck was up. The deck comes afterward.
BO: Okay. Okay. But before we move off from the pre-drywalls, ’cause I think we touched on that pretty well, but the idea of getting blueprints and then understanding what you’re looking at and then being able to understand both the structural blueprints, the electrical blueprints, the mechanical blueprints, that’s a pretty high bar to be going through all that documentation and confirming it’s where it should be and how it should be.
RS: Agreed. And if we ever got to that point, we would certainly charge accordingly.
TM: It’s above our pay grade.
RS: Yeah. Today.
TM: For now.
RS: Talk to me in a couple of months, we’ll see where we’re at. I know we’ve got some people who are certainly qualified to do it, but that’s not what we’re doing today. Our pre-drywall inspections typically take more like about 90 minutes to two hours, something like that.
BO: Alright. Now moving on to this other, the number two was where Ed was involved in on this deck attachment issue. What is this? It’s the exact same home inspection as we do normally, right? But how is it?
RS: It’s really similar except you’re not finding things that are at the end of their life or things that have wear and tear. Really you’re looking for installation issues. You need to be a little bit more familiar with the building code because if you call something out as being incorrect, you’re probably gonna get… Well, I shouldn’t say probably, sometimes you get kicked back from a builder just as Ed did. And then, it’s up to you to defend that. And they’ll say, “Well, where in the code does it say this?” And this is a very controversial topic because there was a lot of home inspectors in different parts of the country where they adamant, like fist on the table, home inspector should never use the word code. You don’t even understand what our job is if you’re mentioning code, but I will argue just as hard the other way. If you’re doing new construction, you better know what the building codes are. You better know how to open up a code book and show where it says it ought to be done. Well, it has to be, it must be done this way. Shall be done.
BO: Shall be. Okay. So typically in this inspection, what are the four, top four or top three things you pick off on a regular basis?
TM: You know, what comes to mind is improper installation of siding a lot of the times, either LP or James Hardy, improper clearances above windows or doors or missing flashing details or mounting blocks or cut edges that aren’t painted. That sort of thing. Improper spacing.
RS: Improper spacing, having the joints too close to each other. You find a lot of siding errors. How about attics? Insufficient insulation. I thought you were gonna go right there.
TM: I know. How did I not? Somehow it slipped my mind. No, yeah, definitely attics and missing insulation or inadequate levels of insulation. Very common.
RS: Yep, yep.
BO: Are plumbing issues a thing in new construction? I mean, do things that shouldn’t leak, leak?
RS: Not a lot. I’ve found my share of them. I’ve found a leaking dishwasher that went through the house, went down into the basement the first time we ran it. I found a leaking master bathroom bathtub. I once found a leaking fitting where they had soldered a fitting and they didn’t get it right. And it was leaking onto the ceiling below and they had just done it. It hadn’t wrecked the ceiling yet, but my infrared camera picked it up and they were able to fix it before it wrecked the ceiling. I mean, so yeah, we’ve definitely found plumbing leaks. Oh, there was another one. We talked about it a few episodes ago, where my dad and I were doing it together and they had messed up the drain on the master bathroom shower and it got the whole ceiling wet in the basement.
TM: Yeah, that’s a disaster.
RS: Yeah, we find plumbing issues, for sure.
TM: Everyone smile. I was gonna say another one is like improper insulation like I mentioned before of like furnace intake exhaust and air-to-air exchanger intake exhaust or combustion makeup air intakes and exhaust being next to an intake and that whole situation being incorrect or even a lot of times we’ll find furnaces that they’re brand new, but they’ve been installed and they’ve run the heat maybe while they’re doing the sheet rock and sanding and mudding. And so, the entire furnace is caked in drywall dust, that’s a common issue we see.
RS: Yeah. And then, we do a temporize check, which we’ve talked about on the podcast, measuring the air coming in versus the air going out. Furnace manufacturer has a very specific spec saying what that can be. And then we find that the temporary rise is too high. Why is it too high? Well, if you got that situation like you just described tests where the inside is just all caked with drywall dust, you got these tiny little fins. If those are all clogged up, that will cause an improper temperature rise. And it means the furnace is gonna be running way hotter than it should and it’s gonna dramatically shorten the life of the furnace. Yeah.
RS: And the list goes on.
TM: Yeah. It’s a good idea to get one of these inspections, even if you’re buying a new house, we find all sorts of problems.
RS: Yeah. No, nobody ever has it. And then says, gee, that was a waste of money.
TM: And same thing goes for these 10 month, 11 month warranty inspections. Usually, we don’t do an inspection for someone that’s moving into this new house and then do it again 10 months later. Usually not much has changed. No big discoveries will occur. People usually do one or the other, but to that point, all these things that we find, not all of these new construction inspections are created equal or are apples to apples, right?
BO: No. Oh my goodness. Tess, I know where you’re going with this. We do 11 month warranty inspections and we’ve had some of our potential clients recently saying, “Hey, I’m just price shopping. I need an 11 month warranty inspection and your price is this, but I found somebody else who’s doing it for almost half the price you guys are.” And we say, “Well, we do all this stuff.” And then we’ve had a few clients say, “Well, they specifically mentioned you and they said they do the exact same inspection that Structure Tech does,” but they’re just not gouging us on price. And it burns me a little bit, but how can I prove that they’re not, maybe they are. And I wrestled with this for a while and we ended up secret shopping this other company where we had done a pre-drywall inspection on this house. And it was about a, I don’t know, couple of weeks later, I arranged for one of our competitors to do a pre-drywall inspection on the same house.
RS: ‘Cause I just wanted to see, what are they doing? Because if they’re charging half the price and they’re doing the exact same thing that we’re doing, then we need to hang up our hat and quit doing these inspections because we can’t afford to do them for half the price. It just… It takes way too much time to check all this stuff, to write the report. There’s no way. And if that’s really the case, we’re just going to hang up our hat and we’ll be done doing 11 month warranty inspections and we’ll let somebody else do it for half the price. So I was curious, what are you getting?
TM: Was this a pre-drywall… Sorry to interrupt you. You said pre-drywall inspection.
BO: Yeah, I was going to clarify.
TM: Was this a pre-dry wall or was this a 11 month warranty?
RS: Gosh, I’m so confusing. Yeah, 11 month warranty. Sorry.
TM: Okay. I thought that’s what you meant. Yeah.
RS: Yep. Yep. Thank you for clarifying, Tess. So, we had another company do an 11 month warranty inspection a couple of weeks after we had done ours. Our inspector was not planning on being secret shopped. We had no idea that we were even gonna do this at the time. So he did it blind. He just did his normal inspection and the other company didn’t know that any of this was going on. So I think it’s a fair comparison. It’s apples to apples. Neither one knew that there was anything, I don’t know.
TM: To be compared to their inspection.
RS: Yeah. Nobody knew anything was gonna be compared. And when we were all done, I looked at our list and there was a lot of stuff on there. I mean, there was plumbing defects. There was framing stuff, siding stuff, HVAC. I mean, there’s a good list of stuff for the builder to come back and take care of. And then I looked at the other report and it was basically all pictures of blue tape that the inspector put on the walls, noting scuffs and scratches and nail pops. It was all cosmetic. And I mean, I could teach my daughter Lucy, she’s 11. I could teach her to look for this in about an hour and put blue tape on the walls and take pictures of it. Anybody could do that. So that’s what this other company was offering. And none of the stuff that we had put in our report was in there. I mean, we had put one comment. We said, there’s a handful of scuffs and scratches and nail pops, and you’ll want to bring these up to the builder. And we took a few photos of them, but we’re not there to document the stuff that any homeowner can see with their own eyes.
RS: Like you don’t need to pay us for that, but that’s what this other inspection was. It was pretty much nothing but that. So I haven’t shared this information with anybody up until right now. And I feel a little bit weird even sharing this ’cause I’m not trying to bust any other competitors out. I want to be a good competitor, a good colleague. So I’m not sure what to do with this yet. Whether I call the owner and we have a chat about this, like what are you really doing? I don’t know. What do I do Tess? What do I do Bill?
TM: I think, if anything, it’s just good information for consumers out there to know that… It’s the same thing we tell people about like with a furnace tuneup. You call an HVAC company, say, “I want my furnace tuneup.” They come out, they charge you a hundred bucks and they do a furnace tuneup. You have no idea what they actually did compared to company B who charged you 250. Did they look at the same things? Was it a 50 point check, a 10 point check? Did they… And the same thing goes for these new construction inspections or these 11 month warranty inspections, is that you really need to be savvy as a consumer to know what it is your inspector is looking at and what you can expect from that inspection.
RS: Yeah, yeah.
BO: Well, I think at a minimum you need to get the information that the client wants to them, right? Like if the contractor is supposed to fix these nail pops and that sort of stuff, well then fine. If you highlight them, I don’t have a problem with that. But if that’s all you do, that’s different than doing like a full home inspection.
TM: And for real estate agents to know too, not just home homeowners and buyers and people building houses, like for real estate agents to realize that there’s a difference too, across different inspection companies.
BO: Well, agents aren’t usually involved in these warranty inspections, are they?
RS: I don’t think so. I don’t think so, but I think this would probably translate to the full home inspection. I got the feeling that if that’s this person’s version of an 11 month warranty inspection, that’s probably their version of a new construction inspection. It’s probably the same thing. But I, again, I don’t know. We haven’t, we haven’t secret shopped that one and I’m surely not going to. I’m not trying to assassinate anybody here. Just trying to make people a little bit better and make sure people are our clients. I mean, if they’re calling us up and saying, “Hey, this company said they do the exact same thing you do.” Well, now I know they don’t. And at least we have a rebuttal for when we hear that.
BO: I tend to think the market will sort these kinds of things out eventually.
TM: You get what you pay for, generally.
BO: You get what you pay for. Yes.
BO: If price is the metric that everybody uses, 3X versus one, you probably get a little more with 3X, but you have to do your homework. I mean, that’s the bottom line. Do your homework and do your research and work with reputable companies and work with reputable people. It’s up to the consumer to do their homework. That’s the way I see it. So you go out there and do your best job every single day and win over people. Do a good job.
RS: But I’ll make it real easy for anybody in the Minnesota market. “Here, look, I did the, I did the research for you. Hire us. I’m a Structure Tech. How’s that?”
BO: Thanks, Reuben. You cut right to the chase there.
TM: I guess it is our podcast. We can say that.
RS: It’s our podcast.
RS: No, I… Okay. Sorry.
BO: Awkward pause. Okay. Moving on. Alright. So the three inspections, just kind of recapping, you’ve got your… Before any of the finished materials go up, you get in there and you poke and push and prod and visualize. And then the next one is right before they move in. You do what you normally do. And why is it called a warranty inspection? I just… What’s the deal with that language?
RS: I don’t have the statute in front of me, but it is a Minnesota statute that there is a warranty from the builder. And the idea is if you’re gonna get stuff addressed within the first year, you want to know about it. So it’s the builder covers all of the stuff that we’re coming up with under their warranty. So what you’re saying is if you’re gonna bring something up and start a conversation about that, you should do it at this mark on the calendar so that everybody’s put on notice that you brought it up in the right timeframe.
RS: That’s right. That’s right.
BO: Okay. All right. Fair enough. Okay. Well, anything else you wanna throw on the old early in the home life inspection process?
RS: Probably threw on more than I should have. I think that’s enough.
BO: Yeah. You get wound up about these things, Reuben.
RS: I do. I do.
BO: It matters to you.
TM: We’re passionate.
BO: You’re passionate.
TM: It’s who we are. It’s what we do.
BO: I’m passionate sometimes too. Like Sunday afternoons when Green Bay is getting throttled, I get a little upset, but anyway, no, just kidding.
BO: I digress. I digress. Let’s put a wrap on this because now we’re just fumbling around with our words. You’ve been listening to Structure Talk. Reuben, you want to do this together? You’ve been listening to Structure Talk…
RS: You’ve been listening to Structure Talk, a Structure Tech presentation.
BO: A Structure Tech presentation.
RS: My name is…
BO: My name is Bill Oelrich.
RS: Bill, your timing, let’s start over. Your timing is way off. You’re changing your timing ’cause I’m on here.
BO: Okay. I’m gonna go faster. Thank you everybody. You’ve been listening to Structure Talk…
RS: You’ve been listening to Structure Talk, a Structure Tech presentation.
BO: A Structure Tech presentation.
RS: My name is Bill…
BO: My name is Bill Oelrich alongside Tessa Murry and Reuben Saltzman. Thanks for listening. Hopefully you won’t catch us next time because that was just so bad.
BO: Well, thank you for listening. We appreciate it.
RS: We appreciate it. Take care.
BO: Larry is gonna have to fix all this nonsense towards the end. Sorry. Welcome everyone. You’re listening to Structure Talk, a Structure Tech presentation.
RS: A Structure Tech presentation.
BO: What are you doing?
RS: Come on. I wanna… I’m gonna say it with you.
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