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In this episode of the Structure Talk podcast, hosts Reuben Saltzman and Tessa Murry catch up on their recent activities, including conferences focused on building science and home inspection. They discuss the importance of integrating building science into home inspections, the growing interest among inspectors, and the future of high-performance building. The conversation also touches on the role of AI in the industry, personal updates about their families, and the challenges of training new inspectors. Additionally, they delve into carbon monoxide safety and the confusion surrounding kitchen faucet standards.
CO Experts Low-Level CO Alarms: https://coexperts.com/
Heartland Chapter Inspector Seminar: https://seminarhouse.org/
IEB Fall Mastermind: https://events.iebcoaching.com/FallMastermind2025#/
Takeaways
Tessa shares her experience at the Inspection Fuel conference in New Orleans.
Building science is becoming more integrated into home inspections.
Home inspectors are increasingly interested in expanding their services to include building science.
AI is rapidly changing the landscape of business efficiency in home inspection.
Reuben discusses the importance of training new inspectors for business growth.
Carbon monoxide alarms are designed for life safety, not for monitoring low levels of CO.
There is a need for standardization in kitchen faucet designs to avoid confusion.
Tessa emphasizes the importance of understanding how homes function as systems.
The hosts express excitement about upcoming educational opportunities in the industry.
Personal updates reveal a busy life for both hosts, balancing work and family.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates
02:53 Conferences and Networking in Home Inspection
06:06 Building Science and Home Inspection
08:55 High Performance Building and Future Trends
11:45 AI Integration in Home Inspection
14:56 Personal Life and Business Updates
18:00 Upcoming Events and Educational Opportunities
31:54 Exciting Developments in Home Inspections
34:10 Understanding Carbon Monoxide Alarms
44:28 The Confusion of Kitchen Faucets
51:40 Engaging with Our Audience
TRANSCRIPTION
The following is an AI-generated transcription from an audio recording. Although the transcription is mostly accurate, it will contain some errors due to inaudible passages or transcription errors.
Reuben Saltzman: Welcome to my house. Welcome to the Structure Talk podcast, a production of Structure Tech Home Inspections. My name is Reuben Saltzman. I’m your host alongside building science geek, Tessa Murry. We help home inspectors up their game through education, and we help homeowners to be better stewards of their houses. We’ve been keeping it real on this podcast since 2019, and we are also the number one home inspection podcast in the world, according to my mom.
Reuben Saltzman (00:01.718)
Welcome back to the show. Welcome to the Structure Talk podcast. Tessa, you just came bounding onto the scene. Love your energy. And then she had to run away real quick before I hit record. You had to go blow your nose. You’re eating spicy food. What were you eating? I need to know.
Tessa Murry (00:18.651)
Sorry, I yes, we are recording a little earlier than we normally do I saw your text last minute and and so I hadn’t eaten yet and I was starving so I just snarfed down some of this like wild rice chicken soup that I made but I put some some pepper flakes and some old bay seasoning in there and I made it spicy and it was it’s good. It’s like a good fall soup. It’s got mushrooms and kale and carrots and onions and celery and
and it’s creamy, you put coconut milk in at the end with the kale, so it gets, it’s kind of rich and creamy and it’s so good, so good. I’m pretending like Florida has fall, even though it’s still 87 degrees outside. By eating soups and like, you know, the typical fall things, but it’s not doing it for me. It’s still super hot here, but anyways, I digress. How are you doing, Rue, good to see you, good to be back.
Reuben Saltzman (00:51.244)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (01:02.477)
Yes, yes.
Reuben Saltzman (01:12.098)
Yeah, that sounds really good.
Reuben Saltzman (01:16.834)
I’m great. I’m great. I feel like I’m peaking this week. I have been sleeping very well for like four days in a row, which is unusual. And I just feel like I could jump over a building today. You ever have those days?
Tessa Murry (01:31.829)
So, my gosh, Ruben, so you could be bounding into the show today metaphorically with all your, good for you. Good for you. Well, we have a lot to catch up on because we have had some busy schedules here and I want to hear what’s going on in your life and get in a little update, but we haven’t had a podcast every week for a while. And the last one we did, we had a guest on, so we didn’t get a chance to catch up.
Reuben Saltzman (01:37.736)
for sure. for sure. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (01:55.715)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we haven’t done much. Well, let’s let’s start out with a quick shout out to our show sponsors, IEB Inspector Empire Builder, a group that I’ve been a member of for, I don’t know, five, six years now. It’s been quite a while. I it’s it’s pre covid. So whatever that was, it’s been a while. The the latest thing to talk about right now is that IEB is having their fall mastermind coming up and is going to be on November 4th and 5th in Palm Harbor, Florida.
Tessa Murry (02:13.088)
Hmm.
Reuben Saltzman (02:25.558)
And the focus is planning for twenty twenty six. They’re saying lock in your twenty twenty six plans in two days. What great inspection companies are focusing on now. And it’s going to be a two day owner focused planning intensive with keynote content and facilitated masterminds. So it’s all about getting your plans down for next year. And again, that is happening November 4th and 5th in Palm Harbor, Florida.
If you’re interested, we will have a link to IEB in our show notes. So love those guys at IEB. Check. All right. So Tess, OK. What’s going on right now?
Tessa Murry (03:14.496)
Back it up, back it up. So, let’s see, okay, it is currently the beginning of October. I’ve been traveling a lot the last month or so, month and a half, it feels like, and went to a couple conferences that were really interesting. So, I won’t take up much time here, the one… Well, we actually have probably a show to get to instead of just hearing me blabber about these conferences.
Reuben Saltzman (03:31.554)
Yeah.
come on. I want to hear about him.
Reuben Saltzman (03:40.75)
That’s that’s the show today. We’re gonna blabber about this kind of stuff today test. It’s fine
Tessa Murry (03:44.702)
Okay, well this will be a catch up show. So the first conference that I went to was in New Orleans and it was inspection fuel. And my first time going to it. Yeah, have you been to it before?
Reuben Saltzman (03:53.858)
Yep, we talked about that.
Yes, yes, I presented a few years ago, Malind and I went together and I was one of the presenters and I can’t, it was in Vegas when we did it. It was right on Fremont Street. It was at the Golden Nugget, I think on Fremont Street.
Tessa Murry (04:01.472)
Okay.
Tessa Murry (04:07.392)
It was in Vegas. Wow. Okay.
So you didn’t have any fun while you were there. I did get to get out and explore New Orleans on the last day a little bit. And that was fun because you, I mean, when you’re in New Orleans, you have to, you have to get out. have to taste the food. You have to walk around. I love walking through the garden district and looking at all the beautiful architecture and, you know, checking out the little shops and just grazing along the way. So that was nice. But going back to this conference, my
Reuben Saltzman (04:16.046)
done whatsoever.
Reuben Saltzman (04:27.246)
You have to.
Tessa Murry (04:42.258)
My takeaways from this, it was very interesting. So I was speaking there about building science and how to integrate building science and home inspection. Why I think it’s important that home inspectors start thinking about the house as a system when we’re inspecting. And it’s not just a simple checking the boxes for these defects, but it’s taking a step back, looking at the big picture, and sometimes digging a little bit deeper and being able to identify these potential red flags that could be pointing to bigger issues.
so that you can catch some of these things that may not be a quick little defect on your checkbox, but could be something else going on, like water, you know, concealed water damage, water intrusion, mold, rot, air quality issues that create health problems and safety issues. So that was my presentation and I had a lot of case studies and stuff to go through with people. But what I found is that it feels like
Home inspectors, from when I was presenting this a few years ago and before I kind of got into this circle of conferences, building science still is kind of this scary subject I think a lot of people feel intimidated about. You do a really good job talking about it, Ruben, and there are people out there that talk about it. But it seems like you’ve got the building science world with the building scientists, and then you’ve got the home inspector world.
And there’s, I feel like just starting to bridge this gap, more and more home inspectors are curious about it and want to know more about it. So there were so many people that wanted to talk to me after the conference and during the conference about, you know, potentially expanding their services as home inspector company to doing more kind of consulting or building science stuff.
good resources and how to do that and I’ve never had that sort of interest kind of show up before so that was that was interesting and and There was a lot of people there shout out to I have to do a shout out to some really awesome people that I met at this conference that Listen to this podcast. Okay, Jeff Kirkpatrick. Love you buddy in California. I think he listens to every single show so does
Reuben Saltzman (06:42.558)
cool.
Reuben Saltzman (06:59.47)
Jeff is awesome. Love Jeff.
Tessa Murry (07:02.428)
So does John Bolton. He’s listened to almost every episode Ruben that we have ever made. God bless him. So John, this one’s to you. He taught some really good… He is, and we need to have him back because I saw a really good presentation from him at Inspection Fuel that I think we could dive into. So we should have him back. Clayton, Clayton from Louisiana, if you’re listening, and your buddy Ryan, thanks for tuning in.
Reuben Saltzman (07:08.876)
my gosh. John’s an awesome guy. Repeat guest on the show.
Reuben Saltzman (07:19.542)
Okay. good.
Tessa Murry (07:31.525)
And was nice meeting you at the conference. There, let’s see, gosh, so many good people. Mark and David from the DC area, very involved in their local inspection chapter. I met inspectors from all over the country, Vegas, Canada, and everywhere in between. And…
What was neat too is that there’s a lot of home inspectors out there now too. think that that want to provide, you know, a better service for their clients and customers and they care about the house as a system and building performance and making sure the house is durable and safe and healthy for the occupants, not only for reducing their own liability, but just for providing a better service. And so I had a lot of inspectors that were wondering about like, well, okay.
What about HRVs and ERVs? And what do you look for? And how do you write up a comment about that? And what does this mean? And what about spray foam and hot roofs and duct work outside the thermal boundary? So there’s just more and more of this interest, I think, building.
Reuben Saltzman (08:40.718)
So are we starting to see HRVs and ERVs outside of Minnesota? That’s incredible, because I swear everywhere I go and I talk about them outside of Minnesota, I get this glazed over look and people like, what are you talking about?
Tessa Murry (08:47.612)
Yes, yes, yes, I think we are. I- I-
Tessa Murry (08:57.888)
Well, think what’s happening is, more builders are building more airtight houses and they’re putting in these air exchanger systems because they’re required to, but I think what’s happening is nobody knows what they’re doing. Both the installers and also the inspectors. So we’ve got some work to do, but just the curiosity is out there and I appreciate.
all the home inspectors that are trying to learn more, trying to educate themselves, and getting outside of their comfort zone, trying to talk about these things. So that was really cool. And I think Inspection Fuel will be doing more stuff on building science at the next conference, is what I heard from me. So we’ll see. Stay tuned. Yeah, so that was very cool. Yeah, and I got to talk to a lot of home inspectors from Louisiana while I was down there too.
Reuben Saltzman (09:44.472)
Okay.
Okay, very exciting.
Tessa Murry (09:55.265)
and reunite with some friends that we met through when I was with StructureTechRubin and we met them at Inspection Empire Builder. I’d be at some different events. So Bill, shout out to Bill too. So anyways, that was a fun experience for me and I learned a lot actually from going to that conference. And then…
Also, I was at another conference in St. Paul after that. That was a different world. So it was EBA, which I was gonna… This is so funny. They’ve changed what it stands for so many times that I have to look it up. So it’s a whole… It’s called Energy and Environmental Building Alliance.
And they specialize in high performance building. And a lot of the attendees are contractors and builders that go to this. But there’s also like energy raters and people that do blower door testing and consulting in that kind of energy efficiency world. So that was a completely different audience. And
I got to meet a lot of really cool builders from around the country that are trying to build high performance homes and are building high performance homes. And I got to chat with some the, you know, kind of some really talented skilled building scientists too while I was at that conference. And so was, I was humbled by that experience. And
Little teaser. I’ve talked to you about this Ruben, but I want to just let our listeners know We’re going to do a little series coming up where we interview some different builders from around the country that are doing this high performance building and learn more about their business and the challenges they face and How they’re doing it and how they’re navigating it things they’ve learned And we also have a one of the one of the I would say og
Reuben Saltzman (11:50.349)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (12:17.478)
Building science people in the country that’s going to be coming on our show. He he’s worked with the department of energy developing the Energy star system and he’s a consultant and he’s written several books and he speaks internationally all over the world So I am super excited to have him on and kickstart this little series. We’re going to do talking about high performance homes and building and the direction that
this country is headed in. So
Reuben Saltzman (12:48.302)
Yes. And you’ve got yeses from all of them. We’ve got the dates on the calendar. These are happening. Yeah. Yeah. I can’t wait.
Tessa Murry (12:53.052)
It’s happening, it’s happening, yeah, yeah. So I’m super excited about that, yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (13:00.108)
Sweet, sweet. That’s exciting stuff, Tess.
Tessa Murry (13:03.136)
Very exciting. Yeah. Yeah. So and I’ll be doing some more conferences coming up working with the Energy Conservatory too and meeting more contractors from around the country and hearing what what their challenges are and hopefully providing more education for them as well on how to build higher performance homes through testing and using, you know,
A lot of the tools that the Energy Conservatory creates out of Minneapolis, they build blower doors, duct blasters, TruFlo grids. They’ve got apps that help contractors figure out how to diagnose performance issues with duct work or airflow or other HVAC systems, ventilation, and how to make the homes perform better. So I’m going to be kind diving into that world next a little bit, which should be also pretty interesting.
Reuben Saltzman (13:58.191)
Man, you are busy. You got so much stuff going on Tess. So many directions.
Tessa Murry (14:02.002)
It’s fun. It’s very fun. And I still try and make time for my house coach clients in Minnesota, which I’m working with both kind of contractors and homeowners. And we’ll see where that goes, too. it’s the you know what? I just I feel like there’s such a need from all of the different kind of arenas I’m seeing from home inspectors, from builders, from contractors, from air sealing specialists. They’re all they all know their little part.
Reuben Saltzman (14:18.424)
Love it.
Tessa Murry (14:31.858)
And they realize that there’s more to the puzzle than just their little piece when it comes to home performance and making a house work and not having issues with it. And they are just so hungry for more information. I feel like kinda I’m in this, I’m in this, I’m on this precipice where, know, it’s building science has been around for a while, but it’s starting more and more contractors and people that didn’t used to care are starting to care now.
what it feels like to me. Now, people that have been in this industry for decades would probably say something different, but that’s my viewpoint.
Reuben Saltzman (15:10.538)
It’s starting to become more mainstream and more widely understood. mean, it’s like everybody understands plumbing, carpentry, electrical. Everybody gets that. But then you talk about building science and it’s like, huh, what? But it’s, it’s, it’s changing. It’s, it’s not like the secret society anymore.
Tessa Murry (15:17.076)
Yes.
Tessa Murry (15:23.722)
What? Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
It is. Yeah. And it’s just, it’s understanding that the house is a system of all these different, you know, integrated parts. And when you change one thing, you can impact another and you have to understand how they all work together or don’t work together to create problems. So, yeah, it’s very cool. Yeah. Yeah. so anyways, okay. That’s, enough about me, Ruben. How about you? What’s new with you? What have you been up to? What’s going on in your life?
Reuben Saltzman (15:44.972)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, really good.
Reuben Saltzman (15:59.801)
Well, you know what? It’s been a lot of personal stuff, really. I mean, it’s like my daughter started doing tennis and that was a bit while she’s done now, but she did tennis for the first time and that was a big time commitment. And then my son, Cy, has been going to the gym with me every day for about the not every day, but a lot of days for about the last year or so. And now I got my daughter interested in it and I never
Tessa Murry (16:07.231)
Reuben Saltzman (16:28.686)
like twisted her arm, did any of that. There was no cajoling. It was just, I want to start going with you because she sees her brother and you know, like he’s getting defined. And she’s like, yeah, pretty much. And she’s like, I want to, I want to start going with you too. And so I got both kids going with me in the morning now, which is just, just such a delight. My, my, my son is 17. My daughter’s 14.
Tessa Murry (16:41.662)
Getting ripped.
Tessa Murry (16:53.578)
Are they going before school? Okay, 17 and 14, that’s commitment and that’s very impressive, Ruben. Are they, they’re going before class starts? They’re going before school? What? What? How did you raise these teenagers, Ruben? Because I, you know, my mom couldn’t even get me out of bed when I was just basically literally rolling out of bed and getting ready for school in the car on the way to school and still showing up late, so.
Reuben Saltzman (17:00.534)
Yeah. They’re going before school. Yeah, it’s great. Yeah. And I, you know, I
Reuben Saltzman (17:20.224)
I’m not going to say that’s not happening, but there is still the commitment and it’s still dad, please keep getting me up. Do you want to keep doing this? Yes, I do. Okay, good. Because I want you to do. Yeah. So it’s it’s been a lot of that business is chugging along. It’s it’s been a good year. It’s you know, this is probably going to be the best year we’ve ever had as a company. It’s
Tessa Murry (17:22.656)
and
Tessa Murry (17:30.784)
Oh, very impressive. Good for them.
Tessa Murry (17:49.363)
Wow.
Reuben Saltzman (17:50.159)
I mean, I can’t complain about any of that. It’s been very good. The inspectors are all staying about as busy as they want. And we’ve got two new guys who are going to start training with us in November. So we’re kind of sticking with that thing of basically slow growth. The goal is to add two home inspectors every year. And that’s what we want to stick with. found doing more than that starts to get really challenging.
Tessa Murry (18:05.438)
So.
Tessa Murry (18:20.192)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (18:20.474)
And doing less than that, you know, you mean you get people who get hurt or people who move or retire or whatever. It’s just, you need enough to keep up with attrition. And it feels like two is a good number. So we found two people that I think are going to be fantastic. And I’m looking forward to, mean, I kinda am looking forward to doing classroom training with them.
Tessa Murry (18:27.392)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (18:33.588)
Yeah.
Hmm.
Tessa Murry (18:40.999)
Awesome.
Reuben Saltzman (18:46.08)
Starting about a month from now. I mean it’s it those it’s a grind. It’s long days because You know you you did it
Tessa Murry (18:51.568)
It is. It’s, you know, the Structure Tech Academy is no joke, people. So we’ve talked about it on this podcast before, but it, it is no joke. When I got hired, there wasn’t a, there was not a quote Structure Tech Academy, but there was a bunch of readings you told me I needed to do. And you were not kidding there. I mean, the self study was intense and not only that, but the shadowing every day, multiple times a day, all the reading on top of it. And so.
Reuben Saltzman (18:57.175)
It’s no joke.
Reuben Saltzman (19:04.268)
No.
Reuben Saltzman (19:13.048)
Yes.
Tessa Murry (19:18.974)
Now that it’s a streamlined process, it’s down to like an orderly, you know, week by week we look at each system and there’s some serious classroom time covering lots of information.
Reuben Saltzman (19:28.606)
my gosh, yeah, Tessa knows this as well as anybody because Tessa created the curriculum. You made the curriculum. I mean, you did that during COVID.
Tessa Murry (19:38.336)
Before AI could do it for me.
Reuben Saltzman (19:42.66)
my gosh, how great would that have been to do it five years ago? I mean, what you did five years ago to do it today.
Tessa Murry (19:46.88)
It would have been a different, it would be completely different. Yeah, I don’t even know. Yeah. For sure.
Reuben Saltzman (19:51.799)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it would have been less work, surely. But yeah, looking forward to doing that. Side note, you talk about AI, the latest thing I’m delighted with is, what is it? It’s Google AI Studios. You if you Google that up, you find Google AI Studio and you click on this thing.
that says I’m pulling up on my screen. It says Nano Banana. And you can do basically anything you want with a photo. It’s all free. You don’t need a paid account. And just for instance, I took this photo that we had in a report. It’s got a screwdriver sticking into a rotted deck board, and then it’s got this big circle around it that we put in our report. I just boosted the photo out of the report.
And I uploaded it to this thing and I said, please remove the screwdriver and the red circle. And it gives me back a photo. It just fills in what the wood should look like. And it’s 100 % seamless. It’s like, there’s no way you would possibly know that the photo originally had a screwdriver and a huge red circle in the middle of the screen. It’ll do whatever you want. It’s like, my daughter had a photo for tennis.
Tessa Murry (21:09.06)
my gosh.
Reuben Saltzman (21:15.576)
that we wanted to put in the yearbook, but she had this big thing on her chin. She fell off the one wheel. But she had this big red mark on her chin. like, she’s not going to like that. I used AI. I said, please remove the big red thing on the girl’s chin. And it just gives back a photo that’s perfect. It’s like, you don’t need to know Photoshop anymore. You just tell AI what you want it to do with your photos and it’s perfect. So.
Tessa Murry (21:21.659)
Tessa Murry (21:37.898)
Photoshop’s a thing of the past. Wow. Wow. Wow. How are you integrating that into your business, Ruben?
Reuben Saltzman (21:47.119)
I, well, I haven’t totally figured out how, but I mean, I did use it the other day. One of our photos took, excuse me, one of our inspectors took a photo of a center island and the center island, Tessa, it was made out of a closet organizer. It’s like it’s super thin particle board, like what you’d put in a closet. They took that and then they put a big old heavy granite countertop on top of it. And they’re like, there’s your center island. And, know, yeah, yeah.
Tessa Murry (22:05.577)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (22:16.702)
face palm, you’re just going, what are we doing? And I wanted to share it. But, you know, you can clearly figure out what kitchen it is. It’s all, you know, decorated. It’s like we don’t share photos on our Facebook page where you can really identify where it is. And it’s like you’re criticizing somebody’s house. They got to be more anonymous. And this was just it’s not a photo that I would ever use. But I thought AI could help me use this. And so I said,
Tessa Murry (22:37.312)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (22:46.296)
Please change the kitchen, change the cabinets, change this, change that, and take all the stuff off of the center island and put a bouquet of flowers on the center island. So I totally changed it so you couldn’t say it was this house, but it was still the same defect and it did exactly what I wanted to on the first try. It was just perfect. So I was able to share a photo that I wouldn’t normally share. Yeah.
Tessa Murry (23:06.113)
my gosh. Wow. Wow.
Tessa Murry (23:13.628)
Mind blowing. It’s absolutely mind blowing. cannot keep up with AI. It is changing so fast and every time I learn something new, it’s like, okay, and then a week later, it’s like my mind is blown again.
Reuben Saltzman (23:19.438)
I know.
Reuben Saltzman (23:28.578)
Yes, yes. And so I haven’t totally figured out how to fully use this. One thing I will say is I’m never going to make up photos. I’m never going to share fake content, but I can certainly use it to share content that I wouldn’t otherwise, or I can use it to better illustrate some points. So it’s pretty cool.
Tessa Murry (23:30.784)
Tessa Murry (23:39.423)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (23:48.641)
Okay. Does IEB talk about ways to integrate AI into your business to help it run more efficiently, smoothly, marketing, all of that? Okay.
Reuben Saltzman (23:56.873)
man, that should be a selling point. I should have at the beginning of one of the shows. IEB is now doing an AI call once a month where that’s the only thing we’re doing is we’re spending an hour with some people who are sharing what they’re doing with AI to integrate it into their business. There are home inspectors. I’m not ready to do this yet, but there’s people who have AI bots. I don’t know how else to say it.
answering the phone during off hours and they can have full conversations with people and it’s like you’re talking to a person. I mean, you would hardly know it and they don’t try to hide it. I mean, they tell people upfront and they said it’s important. You got to let people know they’re talking to an AI bot, but they’re actually using this and I don’t think we’re ready for… The technology is not ready for me to start…
using it yet, but I’m guessing within the next year it will be. I mean, yeah, that’s one of the things IEB is doing is just coaching home inspectors on how they can integrate this stuff into their business. And that’s just one little example of some of the ideas I’ve got.
Tessa Murry (25:13.536)
Does that mean there won’t be a need for people answering the phones anymore in a year? Is that what you’re saying?
Reuben Saltzman (25:19.2)
I really doubt it. Really doubt it. I think it’ll mean that we won’t have a need for an answering machine. We won’t need to have some where people leave us voicemails. We can have an automated assistant figure all of this stuff out. And if they do need a callback from somebody, we’ll have them take care of that. But yeah.
Tessa Murry (25:29.76)
Okay.
Tessa Murry (25:38.272)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (25:45.057)
You know, strikes me it’s like, you know, this AI is so vast and it’s changing, changing so quickly and just the capabilities that it provides, like that it can offer for making a business more efficient or growing it is mind boggling. And you almost need to hire like a consultant who understands all of it, who can help guide a company into saying, okay, they understand your systems and they say, okay, let’s integrate this type of AI, this program, this system here, and let’s integrate this AI here.
and just almost, you know, someone who… Because I feel like it’s a… I’m still hearing about it through conferences and stuff, and, you know, there are people that understand it a little bit for, marketing and social media, and they’re, like, telling home inspectors, well, you got to use this, and you got to learn this, and there’s a learning curve. And you see the home inspectors and the audience in there, I mean, they look like they’re deer in headlights. They’re, like, you know, they’re comfortable going out and, you know…
like physically going through a house and looking for things, they’re not, I mean, they didn’t start an IT business for a reason. And so it’s this whole, this whole mesh of worlds happening right now that’s very intimidating and, and a little overwhelming to be honest. I’m a millennial and I’m still overwhelmed by it. Imagine someone who’s been in the home inspection business for, you know, two or three more decades than me trying to figure this all out on their own.
Reuben Saltzman (27:04.46)
Yeah, it sounds like that’s a new role would be an AI integrator.
Tessa Murry (27:09.138)
Yes, yes, definitely.
Reuben Saltzman (27:10.83)
Yeah, yeah, just come into companies and help them, but it’s going to change so fast. Yeah, I don’t know. We’ve talked about this, but yeah, that was just a little sidetrack. Yeah.
Tessa Murry (27:17.648)
It is. Yeah. It’s fascinating though. Yeah, fascinating to me. Wow.
Reuben Saltzman (27:25.254)
all right. So you’ve been teaching a ton. I’m going to, I’ve got a small speaking engagement. I’m going to Iowa on S well, by the time the shows, the show airs, I will have gone to Iowa. Just take it a little drive down there. couldn’t decide whether to drive or fly. It’s, know, it’s right in between what, what makes sense, but, get a drive down there, do a little presentation for, for a group of Iowa home inspectors and then.
Tessa Murry (27:43.712)
Okay, yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (27:54.607)
One that I’m really excited to attend. And just, well, just lie to me if you haven’t. Have you heard of Glenn Matthewson?
Tessa Murry (28:06.194)
Actually, I think I think I have. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (28:08.682)
Okay, good, good. He’s an ICC dude that’s the International Code Council. He does a ton of training for them and he trains building officials. That’s what he specializes in. And he’s a really good dynamic presenter. I think he used to do a bunch of work with this group called Building Code College. And I remember taking a lot of his deck building classes and he made it
Tessa Murry (28:20.992)
Okay. Yep.
Tessa Murry (28:35.22)
Hmm.
Reuben Saltzman (28:36.92)
very easy to understand. mean, just fantastic presenter. And we’re gonna have him come out and do an all day seminar for the local home inspector chapter here, the Heartland home inspection chapter. And he’s got a presentation that he’s tailoring to home inspectors on, gosh, what is he covering? It’s a ton of stuff.
Tessa Murry (28:53.578)
Cool.
Reuben Saltzman (29:01.996)
He’s talking about P traps, drains and vents, waste distribution, gas pipe sizing, combustion air, all these things. it’s he’s teaching the reasoning behind the code, why we have all these code requirements and what happens when the code’s not followed, which is just like, amen. Yes, this is great. Yeah, I’m really looking forward to that.
Tessa Murry (29:15.552)
Huh.
Tessa Murry (29:22.206)
Wow. That’s very cool. That’s what you’ve spent a lot of your life in your garage doing, Ruben, is trying to figure out why we have peach wraps and air vents.
Reuben Saltzman (29:32.461)
Yes.
Yes, yes. And this guy is totally a doer. I went on his YouTube page or something or his website and it shows him like he’s swinging from the rafters in his garage or something. And he tells a story about how he was doing some obstacle course races and he wasn’t super into it because he really liked the obstacle courses, but he didn’t like running. So then he got into ninja course, American Ninja Warrior type of courses.
you know, obstacle courses. I it feels like that. Yeah. Yeah. I got to chat with them about that because I’m like, that is exactly my path. I haven’t done any of those obstacle courses, but he turned his whole like garage barn or whatever into this huge obstacle course. I mean, he converted the whole thing. It took it over. And then he showed videos of doing the stuff out in his yard. And it’s like, I can’t wait to meet this guy. He seems like a cool dude.
Tessa Murry (30:05.482)
think you found your long lost twin, Ruben. Sounds like you guys are cut from the same cloth. Yeah.
Tessa Murry (30:16.48)
Wow.
Tessa Murry (30:31.398)
I don’t know. You guys are going to have fun together. got to take him out for a beer afterwards. When is this Ashley Heartland seminar coming up?
Reuben Saltzman (30:37.293)
I think so.
Thank you for asking. Yes, this is coming up on November 7th. And what’s kind of crazy, I won’t. You know what? I don’t. I shouldn’t pull the curtain back too much on all the reasonings behind this. And it really doesn’t matter. But you have the opportunity to attend this all day seminar. Normally stuff like this is like, you know, ninety nine dollars is pretty cheap.
$200 is a more reasonable price. It’s kind of what you would expect to pay for this because there’s gonna be breakfast. There’s gonna be lunch and all that other stuff.
$15 if you’re a chapter member, 30 members if you’re not a chapter member.
Tessa Murry (31:27.872)
$30. Wow Yeah, that’s incredible. That’s incredible Wow What what a value for the money? and if Can I ask a question if people are listening and they are not in the Twin Cities area, but they would like to Participate in this education is there a way for them to do that online?
Reuben Saltzman (31:29.422)
$30.
Reuben Saltzman (31:33.602)
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it’s unbelievable.
Reuben Saltzman (31:50.883)
Nope, this is not gonna be online. This is only gonna be in person. But I encourage you to come on up or down to the Twin Cities for a day and attend the seminar. It’s gonna be great. It’s ridiculously cheap. I mean, at that price, heck, take a plane. Fly down. You can get more information about it. Our chapter president, Brian, made a website just for this event.
Tessa Murry (31:52.126)
Okay. Okay. Okay.
Tessa Murry (32:04.436)
thousand.
Tessa Murry (32:10.885)
Reuben Saltzman (32:19.434)
It’s seminarhouse.org and I’ll put a link to that in the show notes. Again, this is seminarhouse.org and he’s got all the info on the one day seminar. Fun stuff.
Tessa Murry (32:19.488)
Oh my goodness.
Tessa Murry (32:25.44)
out.
Tessa Murry (32:34.048)
Very cool. Very, very exciting. Very exciting. And Ruben, were in, weren’t you in Hawaii recently doing some work with
Reuben Saltzman (32:43.97)
Yeah, I don’t want to talk about that. I’ll tell you offline why I don’t want to.
Tessa Murry (32:46.56)
Okay. Sounds good. Moving along. You’ve been a busy boy too. You’ve been traveling, you have your fingers in lot of pies as well. So there’s a lot happening there.
Reuben Saltzman (32:51.286)
Yes, yes I was.
Reuben Saltzman (33:01.036)
Yep, yep, busy, busy life for sure, but not not too busy.
Tessa Murry (33:04.85)
It’s awesome. you know, and it’s I was going to say it’s good to hear that, you know, this is the best year on record, it sounds like, for home inspections.
Reuben Saltzman (33:13.026)
Yeah, yeah, it’s exciting. Yep. So it pays the bills and people are happy when they have full calendars.
Tessa Murry (33:16.394)
Congratulations. Yeah.
Tessa Murry (33:22.176)
So it’s a win-win for everybody. That’s great.
Reuben Saltzman (33:25.462)
Yep. Yep. Exactly. All right. So we got a couple of little things to talk about and then we’re going to have to call it a show. Do you have any pressing topics you wanted to cover?
Tessa Murry (33:34.144)
you
Tessa Murry (33:38.784)
I don’t think so. just the next few episodes I think we’re gonna we’re gonna contribute to the the interviewing the contractors and building scientists. So that’s that’s all the news I have.
Reuben Saltzman (33:48.748)
Yep. Yep.
And then I’ve got another show I’m going to do. We’re going to talk about what makes for a good home inspection report. And I’ve got a guest I want to get on, but I haven’t invited him yet. So I’m not going to announce it yet. Michael. So let’s see here. We’ve got just, I figured today we’d copy. We’d cover a few recent blog posts.
Tessa Murry (34:06.324)
Perfect.
you
Reuben Saltzman (34:20.11)
just kind of things on my mind, things that I’m whipped up about or just thinking about lately. All right, okay. Well, I’m most whipped up about report writing, but we’re gonna put a pin in that one. Maybe we’ll talk about that in a month or so. But one of them, and Tessa, you’ll definitely appreciate this, is low levels of carbon monoxide and how they don’t set off carbon monoxide alarms.
Tessa Murry (34:23.402)
Cool.
I can’t wait. Get please get whipped up.
Tessa Murry (34:35.614)
Okay.
Tessa Murry (34:43.284)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (34:47.721)
Yes.
Reuben Saltzman (34:48.418)
I can’t tell you how many times now I don’t take complaint calls, but, we call them service inquiries now we don’t call them complaints. Yeah, I I don’t take any of those calls, but, back in the day I used to, and I would get it, you know, once, twice a year, we’d say that a appliance has high levels of carbon monoxide in the flu. It’s not burning properly.
Tessa Murry (34:57.874)
service inquiries,
Reuben Saltzman (35:15.948)
And then I’d get a homeowner who would call up and they’d say, well, you told the buyer, my furnace was kicking out carbon monoxide and it was producing carbon monoxide. But if that’s the case, why aren’t any of my carbon monoxide alarms going off? And they just be pissed. And it’s like, well, obviously I’m wrong because their CEO alarm didn’t go off. And we got a few problems with this argument. Number one.
Tessa Murry (35:35.456)
Mm.
Reuben Saltzman (35:43.554)
Tessa, okay, I’ll throw it over to you. Number one, what’s the problem with this?
Tessa Murry (35:47.829)
CO alarms are only going to go off if there are high enough levels that they basically could kill you. And we’re talking low levels. That’ll just probably make you sick. So they’re not designed for that. Yes.
Reuben Saltzman (35:53.871)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. These are life safety devices. They’re there to save your life. They’re not there to tell you you are breathing healthy air. Number two, what we tell our clients, what we tell the agents, what we put in the report is that the appliance is producing a high level of carbon monoxide. It’s going up the vent and out of the house. It’s not actually coming in the air.
Tessa Murry (36:05.864)
Right.
Reuben Saltzman (36:21.154)
But still, it’s not safe. We’re not telling people it’s in the air. So even if your furnace is producing a ridiculously high level of carbon monoxide, as long as it’s all venting properly and you don’t have a huge hole in your heat exchanger, that’s not going to set off your carbon monoxide alarm either. the whole thing is just a complete lack of understanding. But.
Tessa Murry (36:44.672)
Wait, you mean you can’t test for CO at each supply register in the house to see if they’re correct? Yeah. Okay. Nope.
Reuben Saltzman (36:51.16)
banging my head on the microphone, Tessa. Yeah, yeah, I don’t recommend doing that. I know some home inspectors like to do it. I don’t recommend it. But…
Tessa Murry (37:02.004)
I’m sure we’ve done a podcast on that. If people are curious and want to know more about testing for carbon monoxide and crack heat exchangers and all that, look in our history.
Reuben Saltzman (37:09.996)
We surely have. Yeah, yeah, we won’t get into it again. the point here is that it’s what you said right away. Carbon monoxide alarms are life safety devices. You could have low levels of carbon monoxide leaking out of your appliances like your gas fireplace. You could have your oven producing unsafe levels of carbon monoxide coming into the home. You could have a lot of places where it’s happening and your carbon monoxide alarm
will probably never tell you about it. I mean, by design, they will never go off when you have levels below. What is it? 30 parts per million. Yeah, if it’s below 30 parts per million, they will never go off. Now, what happens between 30 and 70 parts per million? I’m not exactly sure. But then once you do have 70 parts per million, and this is enough to like make you feel sick.
Tessa Murry (37:43.072)
you
Tessa Murry (37:51.008)
Is it 25? Oh, okay, 30, yeah.
Tessa Murry (37:57.408)
crazy.
Reuben Saltzman (38:10.166)
I mean, you’re going to have a headache, you’re going to have flu like symptoms, you’re going to be tired, nauseous, you won’t be thinking straight. They’re supposed to go off between one and four hours.
Tessa Murry (38:10.324)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (38:14.432)
brushes.
Tessa Murry (38:24.616)
at 70 parts per million between one to four hours.
Reuben Saltzman (38:25.6)
at 70 parts per million. Before that, I don’t even know when 60 parts per million. I don’t even know what the standard is. That’s not listed here. So you can have fairly high levels that will make you sick and your CEO alarm will not tell you about it. And I don’t think most people understand this.
Tessa Murry (38:32.892)
Interesting. Yeah, it may not go off then.
Tessa Murry (38:45.565)
Well, and I’ll tell you before I got into home inspections, I didn’t understand it and I came from a building science like home performance world. So.
Reuben Saltzman (38:54.508)
Wow. Okay. That’s surprising. I thought you would have known that.
Tessa Murry (38:57.416)
And the same thing with smoke alarms, Ruben. I didn’t know the difference between ionization and photoelectric either. That’s a life safety device and they work very differently too. I think it’s a very important thing to talk about and to educate homeowners about because there are situations out there where people have low levels of carbon monoxide and they just don’t understand. They think that it’s safe. They’ve got carbon monoxide alarms that are up to date, current, placed in the right locations. They think that that’s guaranteed, but it’s not.
Reuben Saltzman (39:27.788)
Yeah, yeah. So my advice is get yourself, now this whole time I’ve been saying carbon monoxide alarm. My advice is get yourself a low level carbon monoxide detector. Yes, yes. Alarm and detector, people use the terms interchangeably. They’re not exactly the same thing. These low level CO detectors are not UL2034 approved.
Tessa Murry (39:41.77)
Detector. Okay.
Reuben Saltzman (39:57.411)
They do not meet the building code. It’s not a replacement for your CEO alarm. It’s a special device that you get in addition to your life safety devices. And I bought one, a bunch of people at structure tech. mean, there was probably like 15 of us. We did a group order and we bought a whole bunch of them and we all put them in our own houses.
Tessa Murry (40:15.168)
you
Reuben Saltzman (40:22.476)
Just recently realized mine has expired. was, it was beeping at me or something. It’s time for a new one. And that’s what made me think I’d need a blog about it.
Tessa Murry (40:28.574)
Mine expired too. Okay, great. I want to read your blog and I bet listeners want to know where they can buy one and how much they cost.
Reuben Saltzman (40:38.688)
I’m selling them and no, just kidding. I have no affiliation with the company who sells it. The website you can go to is C O as in carbon monoxide, C O experts.com. That’s, that’s where I’m going to be going to get a replacement. I haven’t done it yet, but again, coexperts.com. They sell low level carbon monoxide detectors. I think they’re good for like five to seven years.
Tessa Murry (40:40.735)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (41:08.102)
and they’re about 200 bucks or what is that 40 bucks a year if they only last five years not that much to know that you’re not dealing with low levels of carbon monoxide.
Tessa Murry (41:10.719)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (41:21.79)
You know, I think where I used mine the most, and it was the most shocking, was next in the kitchen. I lived in a few places that had gas stoves, and my sister did too. And actually, she was renting and there was no kitchen exhaust vent hood over the cooktop. And every time she turned on her burners or her oven, especially her oven.
Reuben Saltzman (41:28.686)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (41:47.195)
the levels would just skyrocket in the kitchen. And so I gave it to her so she could monitor that and learn like how long she had to the window. Like, did you have to open up one window, two windows, a door? How long do they have to be open to get it out? And so she used that low level detector just to kind of monitor where they were at and try and keep it low. And sure enough, every time she was using her oven and cooking, she has to open up her kitchen. She’s got a side door and a window and she opens both.
Reuben Saltzman (42:15.64)
That’s a great idea Tessa, and I can’t believe I didn’t think of that myself. And when I do get my next one, I think that’s where I’m gonna put it. Genius.
Tessa Murry (42:20.608)
Thank
Tessa Murry (42:25.704)
Yeah, yeah, it’s especially the ovens. Like when you’re baking something, you’ve got it going. And to be honest, I’m in a place in Florida that has same thing and there’s not an exhaust vent to the exterior. There’s just one of those face greasers, the charcoal filter above it. And my boyfriend was like, just turn on the fan. I’m like, the fan does nothing. He’s like, what do you mean? I’m like, it just recycles air.
Reuben Saltzman (42:43.144)
Face greaser. I love that term.
Tessa Murry (42:54.048)
And sure enough, he’s very sensitive to carbon oxide. Kind of like Nick at StructureTech. Shout out to Nick. I remember shadowing with Nick and when we would be in a house that had low levels, would feel it instantly. He’d feel lightheaded, headache, a little nauseous. So my boyfriend’s the same way. And so we literally open up whenever I’m cooking with the oven or he’s cooking, we have to open up all the windows in the apartment to air it out, which sucks when it’s 95 and…
Reuben Saltzman (43:08.835)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (43:21.592)
Sure.
Tessa Murry (43:23.562)
you know, super humid outside and you’re cooking.
Reuben Saltzman (43:25.324)
yeah, yeah, yeah. You need someone to put in an exhaust fan for your test. Or maybe switch it over to electric.
Tessa Murry (43:29.724)
Yeah, yeah, but there’s, think that’s, that is the future and that’s where new homes are going. But there’s a bunch of existing homes and residences out there that use gas and don’t have proper ventilation. So for all you people out there listening and you’re curious, this would be a great tool to monitor that.
Reuben Saltzman (43:35.31)
That’s not cheap either.
Reuben Saltzman (43:40.301)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (43:50.093)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (43:55.481)
Yep. Yep. So that’s okay. So that’s one I wanted to talk about. Yes. Yeah. Or, and you know, Christmas is right around the corner. Great gifts for the family. Who doesn’t want a carbon monoxide detector test? Come on. yeah. Imagine the delight on your kids faces when they open up their gift from Santa.
Tessa Murry (43:58.465)
I’m getting in time for Thanksgiving. Yeah.
Tessa Murry (44:06.334)
True? Gosh. A low level carbon monoxide detector.
That’s it.
And it’s the only present they get because it’s $200.
Reuben Saltzman (44:22.286)
It’s because it’s 200 bucks. Yeah, I’m saving your life. You should be thankful. You should be more thankful. Yeah.
Tessa Murry (44:25.492)
That’s it. That’s all you get.
Tessa Murry (44:32.11)
what a disappointment.
Reuben Saltzman (44:32.416)
Okay. all right. This show is longer. We didn’t cover a ton of stuff, but that’s okay. I got one other topical talk about, we’ll probably call it a show. this is, this is just my kind of my pet peeve as of late that might, it’s my latest kick and it’s kitchen faucets. Now you know, the standard convention for any faucet hot is on the left.
Tessa Murry (44:42.802)
Okay. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (45:01.134)
cold is on the right, right? Standard, we all know it. If you have a single handle faucet, whether it’s a bathroom or a kitchen, hot on the left, you push it up and move it over to the left, that’s hot. Move it over to the right, it’s cold. We all get it. But now we got these new faucets that don’t have the handle coming right off the top. They actually got the spout that goes straight up and it curves over. It’s got this goose neck and it comes down.
Tessa Murry (45:02.848)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Tessa Murry (45:14.439)
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
Reuben Saltzman (45:30.818)
and then the handle is on the side of the faucet. And you could have the handle, huh?
Tessa Murry (45:34.628)
yeah, okay. Is it forwards or backwards? What’s hot and what’s cold? Is it forwards and backwards, right? The handle moves forwards and backwards. Okay. Yeah, that’s always, those have always confused me.
Reuben Saltzman (45:41.782)
Yeah, it goes forwards and backwards. Exactly.
Yeah, so which is hot and which is cold, Tess? That’s the question.
Tessa Murry (45:49.216)
I’ve experienced both in equal parts, I think. That’s why I’m so confused.
Reuben Saltzman (45:55.021)
Yeah, I’ve done the research. is exactly a 50 50 split. No, I haven’t really done the research, but I mean, informal research, I every house I go to, it’s flip a coin. Yeah. So this is what I’m upset about tests. This is it right here. That’s the whole issue. Why don’t we have a standard and what should it be?
Tessa Murry (45:58.753)
Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that seems right. Yeah. It’s different. Yeah. Yep. Yep.
Tessa Murry (46:14.216)
that’s it, okay.
Tessa Murry (46:18.974)
What should it be? Wait, is this okay? Now I’m gonna have to go read your blog. Good job, Ruben. was good clickbait.
Reuben Saltzman (46:24.91)
Yes, thank you. you. That’s the blog post a month ago on September 9th. All right. Here’s OK. I have an answer. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but I I have an opinion nonetheless. If you take this faucet and the faucet is facing you. Left is on the left is hot, cold is left is hot, cold is right.
Tessa Murry (46:28.682)
I have to know, I have to know what is the correct way.
Tessa Murry (46:50.815)
Right.
Reuben Saltzman (46:54.23)
If you take that faucet and you rotate the whole assembly 90 degrees, it means that the handle is going to be on the right side, which it always is. Have you noticed the handles always on the right? They’re never on the left? Yes. Okay. So we got kind of a standard there. So you rotate it and you haven’t done any modifications to it. Which one is hot? Towards you? Towards you. That’s it.
Tessa Murry (47:06.536)
Yes, yes.
Tessa Murry (47:13.353)
No.
Tessa Murry (47:19.082)
forward. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (47:23.574)
That’s your answer right there.
Tessa Murry (47:25.773)
my gosh, it’s so simple.
Reuben Saltzman (47:27.566)
so simple. That’s all it takes. Just rotate it now. No, no, no, Tessa. If it was if it was that simple and nobody cared, they wouldn’t be half wrong, in my humble opinion. So I say we need a standard towards you is hot. You just rotate the object in space. You rotate it 90 degrees. And now it goes with all of our standard plumbing conventions.
Tessa Murry (47:29.652)
Mmm, I feel dumb now. Yeah
Tessa Murry (47:50.868)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (47:57.389)
Now, let me let me bring up a few things. Number one. Delta, they label their faucets hot is forward. They got it right. Good job, Delta. Now, there’s another one. gosh, I’m going to butcher the pronunciation. It’s Hans Grohe. Is that how you say it? Hans Groh, Hans Groh. I’ve heard people say both. OK, well, it’s another I think it’s a German manufacturer.
Tessa Murry (48:04.906)
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Tessa Murry (48:19.104)
I don’t know. Okay.
Reuben Saltzman (48:26.466)
They label their faucets. They’ve got the hot and the cold labeled. Hot is away from you. Cold is towards you.
Tessa Murry (48:34.534)
Well, just think about what side of the road they drive on in Europe.
Reuben Saltzman (48:38.67)
boom. And not only that, maybe they have different conventions. I mean, if they drive on the wrong side of the road, maybe their hot is on the right test. Who knows? Yeah. OK. Didn’t even think about that.
Tessa Murry (48:50.95)
Exactly, Ruben. And who’s to say? Who’s to say it’s right or wrong? It just is, and it’s different.
Reuben Saltzman (48:59.182)
Okay, so we need a standard. I propose that’s a new standard. Now the argument I’ve heard some home inspectors say hot should be away from you because if you have a little kid come up and grab the handle, they’re inclined, they’re going to pull it towards themselves. And now you can scald a kid. And so they want hot away from you for safety reasons. Right? Okay. All right.
Now I’m going to argue the other side of that because I thought this through. Number one, as we’ve talked about on this blog on this podcast, most kitchen faucets you turn on that water, it’s not hot right away. I mean, I used to take like a minute for me to get hot water before I did some funky things in my kitchen. Number two, someone’s already been running the hot water. We’ve got it hot. It’s instantly as hot as it’s going to get.
Tessa Murry (49:42.046)
It takes a while.
Reuben Saltzman (49:56.195)
You shouldn’t have your water heater set high enough where it’s going to instantly scald anybody anyways. So that shouldn’t even be an issue. Keep your water. Keep your water at a safe temperature. And finally, number three, I think this is the most important one. I’ve got a niece who is just old enough, just tall enough.
Tessa Murry (50:02.086)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
I’m with you on all these arguments, Ruben. Yes.
Reuben Saltzman (50:24.12)
to reach the Fossa. Actually, she can’t quite reach it. It’s like, even if she gets on her tiptoes and reaches over, she can’t quite reach the handle. She would need a step stool to get there. And she’s four. She’s plenty old enough to not reach up and have water turn on, onto her arm. Once you’re big enough to actually reach up and grab that handle,
Tessa Murry (50:40.448)
to know better.
Tessa Murry (50:50.986)
Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (50:51.03)
You have all the mental abilities to not instantly scald yourself. The instant scalding would be like for a toddler who’s never going to be able to reach it. So if you ask me, none of these arguments. Am I going to do it? Hold water. All right. I’m okay. I’ll show that’s it. All right. Show’s over. I was like, cheesy can I get here? All right.
Tessa Murry (50:56.541)
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (51:00.618)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Tessa Murry (51:11.008)
Ha ha ha ha!
Tessa Murry (51:15.742)
Ruben, you should have been an attorney. That was well thought out argument, sir. I agree with all of them. And yes, I think there should be some standardization across the board. And you know, this just makes me, it’s maddening. It’s maddening.
Reuben Saltzman (51:21.814)
Okay, all right, thank you.
Reuben Saltzman (51:34.626)
Yeah, and you’re gonna be bugged every time you see it wrong from now on.
Tessa Murry (51:39.904)
Wrong. Yeah. Quote unquote. Yeah. Oh, that’s good. That’s good.
Reuben Saltzman (51:41.07)
Wrong. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Okay. That’s how I’m saving the world right now, Tess. Yeah.
Tessa Murry (51:49.472)
Just one faucet at a time. Well, thanks for your deep dive research into that and all of your deep thinking on the arguments. I agree with you. I 100 % agree with you. Yes, we need some consistency out there. Yeah.
Reuben Saltzman (52:03.544)
All right, for the listeners out there, I know there’s gonna be people who totally disagree, because of course, you know, I post this and I get people, they’re mad, they’re like, no, here’s why, blah, blah, blah. So if you have other thoughts, you are welcome to share them with us. You can email us and I’ll read your thoughts on the air and I will be very respectful of them. You can email us at podcast at
Tessa Murry (52:13.063)
get whipped up.
Thank
Tessa Murry (52:30.645)
Ha ha!
Reuben Saltzman (52:33.408)
Structure tech.com again podcasts at structure tech.com. We would love to hear from you and We read them all we appreciate your input any last Yeah, we do any any other thoughts tests anything else we got to cover today
Tessa Murry (52:43.518)
We do, we do.
Tessa Murry (52:50.048)
You know, a thank you to our audience, to everybody that’s listening out there. We appreciate you. Thanks for listening. And we love hearing from you too. So I know Ruben says that at the end of every show, but it’s true. We do. And if you feel like you, if you have ideas on topics or you have questions, please email us.
Reuben Saltzman (52:54.498)
Yes.
Reuben Saltzman (53:03.779)
It’s true.
Reuben Saltzman (53:10.456)
Please do. And we will catch you next time. And it’s going to be a fun show with a fantastic home builder. And we’re going to have some great, great discussion, great questions for them. And we’ll catch you next time.
Tessa Murry (53:22.506)
Well, and yes, for people who think, yeah, we won’t have a podcast next week. It’s the week after, think, as we’ll be traveling. So we’ll have a little break, but then when we’re back, yes, we’ll start the Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stay tuned.
Reuben Saltzman (53:27.562)
Right, yep.
Reuben Saltzman (53:32.492)
And then we got a lot of shows lined up, a lot of good content.
Reuben Saltzman (53:38.255)
Stay tuned. All right. We’ll catch you next time. Thanks for listening. Take care.
Tessa Murry (53:42.389)
Thanks.